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Old 08-14-2017, 03:48 PM
 
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Doesn't everyone in this country have the right to gather under the First Amendment regardless of how offensive their views might be to anyone else?
1. The Top Dog chef attended the white nationalist gathering. He freely exercised his 1st Amendment right.
2. Freedom of speech does not mean all speeches deserve equal respect or consideration. Only the uninformed or intellectually dishonest would suggest otherwise. White supremacists have been using the specious reasoning that all ideas deserve equal respect/consideration/platform to advance their corrosive ideology. People see right through their idiocy.
3. Freedom of speech isn't absolute and it certainly doesn't shield the individual from consequences. If you are under the impression that the constitution or employment law guarantees your employment even when you disseminate or participate in hate speech, then your education and life experience have failed you.

Hope this helps.
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Old 08-14-2017, 03:48 PM
 
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Employees do not have no such rights. And tell us how if you owned a business you'd employ a known KKK member lol
You created a strawman.
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Old 08-14-2017, 03:50 PM
 
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You created a strawman.
I dont blame you for not articulating in print the hypocrite you are
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Old 08-14-2017, 03:51 PM
 
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You're welcome to your non-PC speech. What is the issue here exactly?

Freedom of speech has NEVER meant freedom from consequences or counter speech (unless, again, you're talking about the government). You really need to re-read the Constitution and become familiar with US history.
The problem is people are terminated for non-PC speech because PC speech was a political inspired end run around of the 1st amendment.
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Old 08-14-2017, 03:53 PM
 
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So I will ask this same question here. Again I abhor the WS message.

What would you say if a Christian employer who was contacted by a stranger on the internet with pictures of an employee at a Pro Choice rally and that employer fired the employee? Perhaps it was a church employee that was flashed across the internet and media in pics/video at the rally with a sign with a disgusting message. Would it be justified? Or is that different in your POV and not justified? Is the firing or outing of these Unite the Right guys justified only because of the abhorrent message?
Religion is a protected status in this country, racism is not.

Both employees are of course welcome to pursue wrongful termination suits if they think their rights have been violated.
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Old 08-14-2017, 03:54 PM
 
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But the event wasn't a "white supremacist" or "racist" event. Yes, it attracted certain groups that have those viewpoints but that's not what the event was. But anything that the left doesn't like now is labeled racist (unless of course it's BLM, Occupy or whatever). How are you or any business owner going to determine what a person's political or personal views are just because their is a picture of them at the gathering. How can you even tell what side they are on? The guy that got fired wasn't dressed in Nazi regalia.


So I guess we get to a point where your political, personal and religious views should be part of your job application. Maybe you should take a polygraph test before getting a job offer so people can make sure you're not secretly racist in your heart.

If you are a supposed "not a racist" that shows up to an event where people are marching with Nazi flags, shouting Third Reich slogans and calling people the n-word and you choose to continue to participate you deserve anything that happens to you. You have outed yourself for the world to see, and all your claims of not being a racist are rendered moot.
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Old 08-14-2017, 03:54 PM
 
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I dont blame you for not articulating in print the hypocrite you are
No you have to create little strawman because your position is weak. People have been fired for criticizing islam or the black crime rate, but you bring up the KKK like a liberal.
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Old 08-14-2017, 03:54 PM
 
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You can't just toss someone out of your home either if they established rights to be there such as a tenet. You just don't recognize employee rights or free speech rights. You just see private property wealth as supremacy, kind of like feudalism.
A tenant has a contract and has paid to live somewhere. S/he can be evicted under the terms of the contract. Most employees don't have contracts with their employers, and can be terminated for any reason, or no reason at all, as long as it's not based on race, sex, color, etc.

Government employees usually have more protections and with some exceptions, cannot be terminated for exercising their right to free speech.

In general, the First Amendment protects people from Government interference with their right to free speech. It doesn't protect a person for getting fired by a private employer for participating in a protest.
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Old 08-14-2017, 03:54 PM
 
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The problem is people are terminated for non-PC speech because PC speech was a political inspired end run around of the 1st amendment.
You don't have protection from termination under the First Amendment. You NEVER had it.

Just stop already. You are embarrassing yourself.
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Old 08-14-2017, 03:54 PM
 
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How come they don't fire people that attend BLM rallies advocating hate toward the other side and violence toward the police? How come they don't fire people that attend Occupy rallies. I guess most of those people don't have jobs but still!
I suspect because their employers don't think those activities tarnish the reputation of the company like a white nationalist rally does.
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