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I don't get how people say private individuals or employers should be able to stifle free expression and assembly as long as they are not the government. It's un-American and violates the spirit of free speech.
Should employers fire gun owners too, since they are not the government and are not infringing on gun owners by making them decide between exercising their 2nd amendment rights or employment?
What about the 4th amendment? Are private individuals or employers allowed to search you at will because they have some kind of suspicion?
What about amendment 9, the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. Doesn't that suggest that people have rights beyond how and what they is framed in the Bill of Rights. Like for instance, to generally have a right to make a living and have free speech at the same time.
Can you toss out of your home or deny entry to someone you disagree with? Yes. A business is no different.
Its called property rights.
How are you or any business owner going to determine what a person's political or personal views are just because their is a picture of them at the gathering. How can you even tell what side they are on? The guy that got fired wasn't dressed in Nazi regalia.
There are photos of him all over the internet holding a torch, standing shoulder to shoulder with known members of the Ku Klux Klan. Do you comprehend the historical significance of a bunch of white men standing together holding torches? That's usually what they do before they start lynching black people. What business owner in their right mind wants to be associated with that?
Companies are not the government so the constitution does not apply to them. Say it. learn it, love it.
They can check your locker or desk at any time, go through your email, ask for a pee test, ask for you social media passwords, and fire you at any time it damn well pleases them.
Say it. learn it, love it.
They cannot ask for your social media passwords. Yes to the rest.
I don't understand how a party that has rallied against workers rights for years, is now complaining that employees can be fired for attending a protest based on hate. You can now be fired for just about anything, some states the employer doesn't even need a reason.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
As far as I can tell the rally was a group of people that assembled to peaceably petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Their rights are perfectly intact. I'm not really sure what you're trying to debate?
It sounds like you're making an argument of "validity" for their firing in regards to the first amendment, when that's the wrong question.
The companies have every right to fire these employees. The first amendment offers very little protections for employees.
The question you're really asking is "is it right?"
My answer is that it doesn't matter - this was never a protection that we had.
I personally side with the companies - I wouldn't want an open white supremacist working for or with me. Those views are extremely problematic in a working environment. How could I ever trust that person to do a good job if he/she had to work with anyone else that wasn't white? They have a firm case here.
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So I will ask this same question here. Again I abhor the WS message.
What would you say if a Christian employer who was contacted by a stranger on the internet with pictures of an employee at a Pro Choice rally and that employer fired the employee? Perhaps it was a church employee that was flashed across the internet and media in pics/video at the rally with a sign with a disgusting message. Would it be justified? Or is that different in your POV and not justified? Is the firing or outing of these Unite the Right guys justified only because of the abhorrent message?
I think a better comparison is employers firing employees because they come out as gay, which still happens quite often. Conservatives support that.
I think a better comparison is employers firing employees because they come out as gay, which still happens quite often. Conservatives support that.
That wasn't what I asked. Would you like to answer what I asked? In many states gays are a protected group so that does not apply. We are talking about unprotected groups. My analogy was purposely written with a scenario that is abhorrent to a large percentage of the population so to compare apples to apples.
I don't get how people say private individuals or employers should be able to stifle free expression and assembly as long as they are not the government. It's un-American and violates the spirit of free speech.
Should employers fire gun owners too, since they are not the government and are not infringing on gun owners by making them decide between exercising their 2nd amendment rights or employment?
What about the 4th amendment? Are private individuals or employers allowed to search you at will because they have some kind of suspicion?
What about amendment 9, the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. Doesn't that suggest that people have rights beyond how and what they is framed in the Bill of Rights. Like for instance, to generally have a right to make a living and have free speech at the same time.
You have the right to free speech as long as it doesn't offend anyone else. Welcome to 2017 United States. Washington, Jefferson and Franklin would be so proud of what we've become
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