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John B. Baldwin, Augusta County delegate to the Virginia Secession Convention, March 21, 1861: "I say, then, that viewed from that standpoint, there is but one single subject of complaint which Virginia has to make against the government under which we live; a complaint made by the whole South, and that is on the subject of African slavery...."
If slavery had never existed, would there have been a Civil War?
No only that but if there had not been slavery, the party created to destroy slavery, the Republicans, would never been formed to defeat Democrat slaveowners through bloodshed.
I'm even happier of the 1860 Republicans defeated the Democrats than I was that the Republicans again defeated the Democrats in 2016.....and that's saying something.
If slavery had never existed, would there have been a Civil War?
African slaves and their childbearing potential collateralized credit which enabled 50% of the US economy to be directly and indirectly linked to cotton bubble in the first half of the 1800's.
The commodification of slaves contributed to the power and wealth of the US For a blip in time.
These monuments seem to be a way the South tried to rationalize their ancestors were good people, despite evidence to the contrary.
75% of US households did not own humans. Those that did made up for it.
African slaves and their childbearing potential collateralized credit which enabled 50% of the US economy to be directly and indirectly linked to cotton bubble in the first half of the 1800's.
The commodification of slaves contributed to the power and wealth of the US For a blip in time.
These monuments seem to be a way the South tried to rationalize their ancestors were good people, despite evidence to the contrary.
75% of US households did not own humans. Those that did made up for it.
and to add on to the bolded...there were whole other industries built around slavery. There are companies and universities still around in 2017 with ties to slave labor. Slavery wasn't this isolated side hustle...it was THE economy in the south at the time.
to be honest its hard to say. while the civil war was fought over states rights, the biggest for the south was slavery though it was legal under the constitution, there were many even in the south that wanted to abolish it.
the founding fathers also wanted to abolish slavery, but in order to maintain the original thirteen colonies, chose to let slavery be legal for the time being, recognizing that in the future the country would see fit to abolish slavery in the end.
one bit of contention before the civil war, was the placement of the mason/dixon line, the point of demarcation of where slavery was legal or not. for instance, if the line were in force today, here in southern arizona slavery would be legal, but in northern arizona it would not.
that said however, the federal government was getting too big and overbearing, and a number of states objected to that. so even without slavery, we still might have fought a civil war, just over different major issues.
James Madison was one of the more influential framers. He died without freeing a single one of his 100+ slaves.
If slavery had never existed, would there have been a Civil War?
Yes, 30 years before our Civil War, South Carolina seceded from the Union. Democrat President Andrew Jackson put troops loyal to the Union in garrisons before the South Carolina legislature started it's insurrection. It was quickly stopped. This was over export tariffs.
After John Brown, there was no way to avoid a Civil War with slavery at it's center, other reasons for it existed, but at the center was a states right to have slavery.
Yes, 30 years before our Civil War, South Carolina seceded from the Union. Democrat President Andrew Jackson put troops loyal to the Union in garrisons before the South Carolina legislature started it's insurrection. It was quickly stopped. This was over export tariffs.
After John Brown, there was no way to avoid a Civil War with slavery at it's center, other reasons for it existed, but at the center was a states right to have slavery.
South Carolina did not secede during the 1832 "import" tariff situation. It may have gotten to that point if they had not revised the tariff with a compromise bill. President Jackson did get permission to use federal troops to enforce federal laws but it didn't get that far.
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South Carolina did not secede during the 1832 "import" tariff situation. It may have gotten to that point if they had not revised the tariff with a compromise bill. President Jackson did get permission to use federal troops to enforce federal laws but it didn't get that far.
South Carolina declared federal law null and void.
Who are we kidding?
They didn't have the military to wage a fight with Jackson as he saw this coming and put a stop to it by securing military forts with men and particularly officers loyal to the Union. When the South Carolina militia came knocking at the federal armory, they didn't get any help or weapons.
We, therefore, the people of the State of South Carolina, in convention assembled, do declare and ordain and it is hereby declared and ordained, that the several acts and parts of acts of the Congress of the United States, purporting to be laws for the imposing of duties and imposts on the importation of foreign commodities, and now having actual operation and effect within the United States, and, more especially, an act entitled "An act in alteration of the several acts imposing duties on imports," approved on the nineteenth day of May, one thousand eight hundred and twenty-eight and also an act entitled "An act to alter and amend the several acts imposing duties on imports," approved on the fourteenth day of July, one thousand eight hundred and thirty-two, are unauthorized by the constitution of the United States, and violate the true meaning and intent thereof and are null, void, and no law, nor binding upon this State, its officers or citizens; and all promises, contracts, and obligations, made or entered into, or to be made or entered into, with purpose to secure the duties imposed by said acts, and all judicial proceedings which shall be hereafter had in affirmance thereof, are and shall be held utterly null and void.
And it is further ordained, that it shall not be lawful for any of the constituted authorities, whether of this State or of the United States, to enforce the payment of duties imposed by the said acts within the limits of this State; but it shall be the duty of the legislature to adopt such measures and pass such acts as may be necessary to give full effect to this ordinance, and to prevent the enforcement and arrest the operation of the said acts and parts of acts of the Congress of the United States within the limits of this State, from and after the first day of February next, and the duties of all other constituted authorities, and of all persons residing or being within the limits of this State, and they are hereby required and enjoined to obey and give effect to this ordinance, and such acts and measures of the legislature as may be passed or adopted in obedience thereto.
Note in paragraph 2 above, South Carolina indicated it would prevent federal enforcement of a federal law. Due to Jackson neutering the militias of South Carolina the state was unable to implement it's fight with the Union via force and had to eventually concede.
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, would never been formed to defeat Democrat
slaveowners
through bloodshed.
