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Old 08-23-2017, 04:28 PM
 
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Umm, I think we are confusing the Preamble, which is not an article.

It says-
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The first clause of Article I, Section 8, reads, "The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States."
Link to the verbiage of the Constitution found here- https://www.archives.gov/founding-do...ion-transcript
States are NOT individuals.

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Old 08-23-2017, 04:53 PM
 
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States are NOT individuals.
States have individuals, and there certainly IS Constitutional rights for Individuals. You disagree with that?

Or, put another way, the Federal Government can with hold things for states that act conversely to 'Welfare of the Citizens'. If states didn't raise their drinking ages to 21? You lose a portion of Federal Highway funding. That was contentiously tied to that article as well as several others. Ultimately South Dakota lost their fight.

There are a number of ways the Federal Government has acted to 'provide general welfare'. Whether you want to believe it or agree with is your choice.

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Old 08-23-2017, 05:14 PM
 
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Like the Hindenburg crashing to the earth in flames, so is the Democratic Party!
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Old 08-23-2017, 07:25 PM
 
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MSNBC’s Morning Joe: The Democratic Party Is In a State of Absolute Disaster
This isn't news. Everybody knows this already.
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Old 08-23-2017, 08:11 PM
 
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States have individuals, and there certainly IS Constitutional rights for Individuals. You disagree with that?
If the Constitution meant what you think it does, it would say...

"...and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the people of the United States."

It does NOT say that, therefore you CANNOT infer it means individuals.
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Old 08-23-2017, 08:12 PM
 
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Isn't the Joe part of that show the Republican...so he would say something against Democrats (I know he doesn't like Trump but most Republicans don't).
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Old 08-23-2017, 10:07 PM
 
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If the Constitution meant what you think it does, it would say...

"...and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the people of the United States."

It does NOT say that, therefore you CANNOT infer it means individuals.
The Supreme Court Case I sighted DOES differ from what you assert.
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Old 08-23-2017, 10:34 PM
 
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The Supreme Court Case I sighted DOES differ from what you assert.
Uh huh... Was the Supreme Court correct in the Dred Scott ruling? In that case, the Supreme Court ruled that "a negro, whose ancestors were imported into the US, and sold as slaves," whether enslaved or free, could not be an American citizen and therefore had no standing to sue in federal court.

Enough said.
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Old 08-23-2017, 11:37 PM
 
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National standards for minimum age drinking laws still stand, doesn't it?

https://billofrightsinstitute.org/ed...a-v-dole-1987/

Test your Constiutional skills.
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Old 08-24-2017, 04:50 AM
 
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National standards for minimum age drinking laws still stand, doesn't it?
No. For example, in Wisconsin, those under age 21 can drink if accompanied by their age 21 or over parent, guardian, or spouse:

"Any underage person who does any of the following is guilty of a violation:

1. Procures or attempts to procure alcohol beverages from a licensee or permittee.
2. Unless accompanied by a parent, guardian or spouse who has attained the legal drinking age, possesses or consumes alcohol beverages on licensed premises."


http://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/stat...tes/125/I/07/1

It's a STATE issue, not a 'covers all individuals nationwide' issue.
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