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Old 08-25-2017, 05:06 AM
 
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It is interesting to see how these very anti DNC threads always attract about two pages of posts that agree.

These posts happen very fast.

Then come posts that seem more impartial that say both parties are a mess.

Finally come the posts that the GOP is the one really in a mess.

Oh wait, the GOP only cares about cash flow as a measure how it is doing.

It ignores the polls and town hall meetings that GOP Congressmen are afraid to host.
Why would GOP congressmen hold town halls that are invaded by Democrats?

Are they supposed to change into Democrats at those town halls?

Do the people who attend those town halls think that they are talking to a Democrat?

I guess Democrats think they should always get their way even when they lose elections.

I guess they weren't paying attention in their Civics/American History classes in high school.

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Old 08-25-2017, 05:15 AM
 
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To me there isn't anyone to vote for. I am white and a working-class Southerner. I do feel as if the Democratic Party views me as inherently privileged even though I grew up so poor we didn't have anything to eat, or that we lived in a house with a hole in the roof or that despite having worked hard to obtain a graduate degree (along with loan debt in what should be a decent career field) I have had difficulty in finding work. I should be a core Democratic voter.

I am pro GLBT, pro national healthcare, anti-big business political power.

But...
I also hold our nation's history as something that should garner some level of respect. As I previously said, I am a Southerner and I have ancestors who fought for the Confederacy (poor Appalachian farmers), twenty of my ancestors fought in the American Revolution...and I believe that the Democratic Party cares little for this. I also believe they care little for opiod addicted people in Appalachia, poor people in general regardless of skin color. And I do believe (after having spent time in DC looking for work) that the Democratic Party in general views working class Southerners are the garbage of the country.

On the Republican side, I get why people gravitate toward it given the statements out of the Democratic Party. However, the GOP pursues removing health insurance from people who could not otherwise afford it. Giving tax credits to large corporate farming companies and oil producers, protecting telecommunication monopolies, appealing to social conservatives who believe they can use the force of law against the private lives of other Americans.

Neither of these political factions have any of my best interests at heart; nor do they have the best interests of the United States at heart either.

Y'all are crazy.
Well said.

Trump is hated by both parties, so that should be a point in his favor with you.
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Old 08-25-2017, 05:18 AM
 
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The Democrat party's only real agenda items are Racism and Socialism. Founded to perpetuate Slavery, host to its militant arm, the KKK, and now supporting a different sort of slavery, i.e. the slavery of dependence on OPM (Other People's Money), yet the have the gall to paint their opponents with the brush they use on themselves before they dress.

Look at bums like Hillary, Obama, Schumer, Pelosi. A rogue's gallery of America-hating trailer trash, well-heeled from the payola and skim they shake America down for..
Well said.

I'm out of rep, otherwise I'd rep you.
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Old 08-25-2017, 05:22 AM
 
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Umm, I think we are confusing the Preamble, which is not an article.

It says-



Link to the verbiage of the Constitution found here- https://www.archives.gov/founding-do...ion-transcript

Provide means PROVIDE. They will PROVIDE a Navy, They will PROVIDE calling for the militia (military) for...

Promote means PROMOTE. The only citation of the word promote found in Article I, Section 8 is this-

"To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;"

The Articles are what are laws are founded on. The Preamble does not confer powers or rights- the Articles do, which is precisely why I said- "It is debatable".

I'll leave it at that. I'm all for a robust and affordable health care system for a number of reasons.
The government doesn't provide anything.

It's the taxpayers who "provide".
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Old 08-25-2017, 05:28 AM
 
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Proof that many who have been posting in internet are Russian

https://www.propublica.org/article/p...ent=1503440756

“Dems and Media Continue to IGNORE BLM and Antifa Violence in Charlottesville,” she
above a picture of masked demonstrators labeled “DEMOCRAT TERROR.” wrote
But Dixson appears to have been a fake, according to an analysis by Ben Nimmo, a fellow with the Digital Forensic Research Lab at the Atlantic Council think tank. The account has been closed."

Be education people.

Recognize fakes. Especially recognize whataboutism.

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"Whataboutism."

I assume you mean the use of "what about" as shown in the following dialogue....

Democrat: "Bush started the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan!"

Republican: "What about Obama starting the wars in Libya and Yemen?"

******************************************

"What about" is a perfectly legitimate reply in this and all other cases where I've seen it used.

Are Democrats now trying to eliminate debating techniques that expose their hypocrisy and double standards?

I guess they have to, given that their arguments can't withstand critical scrutiny.

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Old 08-25-2017, 05:55 AM
 
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So the Federal mandate is this-
"The National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984 required all states to raise their minimum purchase and public possession of alcohol age to 21. States that did not comply faced a reduction in highway funds under the Federal Highway Aid Act."

All purchases must be made by persons over 21 years of age to discourage border hopping. Wisconsin had to amend their laws to adhere to the Federal standard, as did about 10 or so other states.

Appears as if the underage allowance to drink alcohol in the presence of a parent or legal guardian presumes the same afforded to other states which permit persons under 21 to consume alcohol at home only if provided by a parent.

Montana has that standard in our law as well. Those of any age below 21 may drink. But a parent or guardian must provide it. And it may not lead to intoxication. This is defined as a BAC not higher than 0.05 “or substantial or visible mental or physical impairment.”

So the Federal law is purchase age, and yes- all states adopted that standard. The root cause of the mandate was to discourage underage drinking and driving, particularly border hopping drives by kids to purchase alcohol.

The argument in the Supreme Court case found that the 'General Welfare' clause was indeed constitutional. So the argument still stands.
Just because the Supreme Court finds something constitutional doesn't mean it is constitutional.

Under the Constitution, the federal government has no business doing much more than providing for the common defense, printing currency and minting coins, regulating immigration and naturalization, running the post office, and conducting diplomacy.

The rest is left to the states and the people
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Old 08-25-2017, 06:16 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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It would be sweet if Kasich decided to challenge Trump in 2020 but I wouldnt count on it.
Kasich was a disappointment during the primary. He's now a democrat. What happened to him?
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Old 08-25-2017, 06:20 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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All backwards.
Backwards? The Democrats haven't learned anything from recent elections. Attacking American culture will get them nowhere.
I'm right and you know it.
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Old 08-25-2017, 06:24 AM
 
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The Democrats have their problems but so do the Republicans. Who would vote for a Republican after this debacle? None of the people from Trump down to Ryan are capable of serving as President....
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Old 08-25-2017, 06:27 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Both parties are in a state of disaster. Republicans control it all but can't seem to accomplish anything. I think people will remember that next election.
What people will remember is the dour face of Patty Murray, the batty expressions of Nancy Pelosi, and the unhinged statements by Maxine Waters.

Noone in their right mind would think these people are fit to represent normal, patriotic Americans.

I think people will remember that next election.
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