I'm VERY Glad To Be An American, BUT (enemy, regular, radical)

[dman72]

Originally Posted by ChrisC

Some folks will never understand the concept of self-defense until they are in chains.

Wolves love rabbits. And it's never going to make a bit of difference how passive the rabbit becomes or how much it tries to reason with the wolf or how much it tells the wolf it loves him. The rabbit still becomes dinner. The moral of this story is to not become a rabbit.

So now that you've graduated past Kindergarten, you get a prize.

The rabbit gets a gun, maybe 3 so he has backups and can kill the wolf 12 times over. No reason for him to sell all his food for a tank because some moron rabbit he knows who watches too many 80's action flicks and rolls coal thinks tanks are cool.

[ChrisC]

Originally Posted by dman72

So now that you've graduated past Kindergarten, you get a prize.

The rabbit gets a gun, maybe 3 so he has backups and can kill the wolf 12 times over. No reason for him to sell all his food for a tank because some moron rabbit he knows who watches too many 80's action flicks and rolls coal thinks tanks are cool.

Looks as though you DIDN'T get through kindergarten because you are unable to process the message from even the simplest of scenarios, and rather, offer an incoherent stew of nonsense in response.

[NCN]

Originally Posted by jaminhealth

Why why why do we continue to the keep the war machines oiled and going on from WW2. Pain and Misery from them all. This is my MAJOR gripe about America.

Maybe there's been other posts like this, I don't know.

Does California have any sane people? When you cross over the California state line does it shrink your brain? Why is it always California where these people ask such stupid questions? I have always heard there are no stupid questions; but you just proved that wrong.

You have two choices. You are so powerful your enemies will not attempt to fight you or you are taken over by those enemies.

[ChrisC]

Originally Posted by NCN

When you cross over the California state line does it shrink your brain?

Yes. Yes it does. And sadly the process of brain shrinkage varies directly as the time spent within the state, once the line is crossed. There really should be some sort of warning at each point of entry.

Warning: entering and/or loitering within the state of California has been found to cause irreparable brain damage by the State of California.

[zortation]

It never ceases to amaze me that Americans are completely oblivious to their own government's role in all this.....and also how many Americans believe that somehow military conflict is a natural tribal instinct that just has to be played out on a regular basis. That going around the globe, invading other sovereign nations is somehow ok..??

I've got news for you, you're among a small handful of nations who think this way, maybe two or three at the most. It just happens to be a coincidence that you have the most all-encompassing military force. America is a war nation and has been throughout it's history, the rest of us have learned to just deal with it.

You're like an unwelcome dinner guest...you create the mess, the rest of us have to clean it up.

[ChrisC]

Originally Posted by zortation

It never ceases to amaze me that Americans are completely oblivious to their own government's role in all this.....and also how many Americans believe that somehow military conflict is a natural tribal instinct that just has to be played out on a regular basis. That going around the globe, invading other sovereign nations is somehow ok..??

I've got news for you, you're among a small handful of nations who think this way, maybe two or three at the most. It just happens to be a coincidence that you have the most all-encompassing military force. America is a war nation and has been throughout it's history, the rest of us have learned to just deal with it.

You're like an unwelcome dinner guest...you create the mess, the rest of us have to clean it up.

Your statement is ridiculous in the extreme. There are two possibilities: you know that and are just looking for a rise from a "Yank," or you are oblivious to the facts and really believe your erroneous statement.

But lets run with it. Let me provide you with an opportunity to back your statement up (which, if you are willing to admit it after the fact, will be a learning experience for you). Below is a list of official wars of the twentieth century. Go through the list and mark off all of the wars in which the US was directly involved (sure, there are some). Divide that number by the total number of wars, move the decimal two places to the right and slap a percent symbol on it. What percent did you get? And of that percentage, how many of those nations does the US now occupy and control (since you seem to think we wish to conquer the world)?

Here is your list, and... good luck proving your "point." Since you implied that the US has a role in "all this," your burden of proof is quite heavy. You must come up with 100%. As I said, good luck. Have at it:

Eastern Ukraine War
Sectarian Conflict in the Central African Republic
Syrian civil war
South Sudan Civil War
Libyan Civil War
Nigeria, Chad, Niger and Cameroon vs Boko Haram (ISWAP)
Yemeni Civil War
Waziristan conflict
Kivu Conflict
Mexican Drug War
Iraqi Insurgency
Afghanistan war
al-Qaida vs USA and allies
Russia vs Chechnyan Secessionists, the Caucasus Emirate, IS
Northern Mali Conflict
Algeria Govt vs Islamic rebels,
Indian Govt vs Maoist Guerillas
Nagorno-Karabakh War
Indian-Pakistani Dispute and Intrastate Insurgency in Kashmir
Turkey Gov vs Kurdistan Guerilla (PPK)
Sudan Government vs Militias
Somalia Civil War
Uganda Civil War
Ethiopian Govt vs Ogadeni Rebels - WSLF/ONLF/AIAI
Philippines Govt vs Mindanao Guerillas
Philippine Government vs CPP Guerrilla
Colombia Govt vs Guerillas Farc and ELN
Burmese Government vs Separatist Guerillas
Israel vs Palestine
Lou Nuer vs Murle (Jonglei conflict)
Mozambique Govt vs RENAMO and FRELIMO
Ethiopia vs Oromia rebels (OLF)
Tajikistan Govt vs Opposition
Iran vs rebel groups (MEK,PJAK etc)
Chad Civil War
Peruvian Gvt vs Sendero Luminoso and MRTA
Sri Lankan Govt vs Tamil Militants (LTTE)
Georgia civil war and South Ossetia and Abkhazia conflict
Burundi Civil War
Nepal Civil War
Southern Lebanon War
Indonesia Gvt vs Aceh Liberation movement
Civil War in Côte d Ivoire
Ituri Conflict
Iraq vs US led coalition
Liberia Civil War
First and Second Congo Wars
Congo Brazzaville Civil War
Angolan Gvt vs UNITA Guerilla
Eritrea vs Ethiopia
Sierra Leone Civil War
Afghanistan Civil War
Yugoslavia vs NATO Forces and UCK Guerilla
Indonesian Govt vs Fretilin - East Timor
Cambodian Govt vs Khmer Rouge
Northern Ireland, The Troubles
Hunde and allies vs Hutu, Banyarwanda
Iraq Government vs SCIRI
Iraq vs Kurdistan (KDP/PUK)
Iranian Govt vs KDPI
Bosnian Govt vs Serbian and Croatian Insurgents
Croatian Govt, irregulars vs Serbian Govt, irregulars, Rep. Krajina
Guatemalan Civil War
North Yemen vs Secessionists
Rwanda Civil War (Hutus vs Tutsis)
Burmese Govt vs Communist Guerillas
Indian Govt vs Sikh insurgents
First Gulf War
El Salvador Gvt vs FMLN Guerrillas
Ethiopian Government vs EPRDF
Ethiopia vs Eritrean Separatists ELF/EPLF
Nicaragua Govt vs Contras
Lebanese Civil War
Sri Lanka Govt vs JVP
Romanian Revolution
Panama Coup and US Invasion
Western Sahara War
South Africa vs ANC
Iran vs Iraq
Sino-Vietnamese War
Namibia vs South Africa
Chadian-Lybian War (Aouzou Strip)
South Yemen Coup
Falklands War
Syrian Govt vs Muslim Brotherhood
Thai Govt vs CPT
Nicaraguan Gvt vs Sandinistas
Uganda vs Tanzania
Iranian Revolution
Rhodesian Government vs ZANU,ZAPU,PF
Vietnam vs Cambodia (Kampuchea)
Indonesian annexation of West Papua
Argentina: Civil War and Dirty War
Balochistan Insurgency
Chinese Cultural Revolution
Cambodian Civil War
Vietnam War
Angolan War of Independence
Turko Cypriot War
Mozambique War of Independence
Yom Kippur War
Chilean MIlitary Coup
Guinea Bissau War of Independence
Laos Civil War
Hutu Rebellion
Sudan Government vs Insurgents
Bangladesh War
Second Kashmir War
Israel vs Egypt
Nigerian Civil War
North Yemen Civil War
First Kurdish–Iraqi War
Football War Honduras vs El Salvador
The Six Day War
Dominican Republic Coup
Congo Crisis
First Rwanda Civil War
Vietnam Civil War
Sino-Indian War
Algerian War of Independece
Bizerte Crisis
Cameroonian Govt vs UPC
Indonesia vs PRRI, Permesta and Darul Islam
Cuban Revolution
1959 Mosul uprising in Iraq
Cameroon War of Independence
Tibetan Uprising
First Lebanese War
La Violencia
Malayan Civil War
Sinai War
Soviet Invasion of Hungary
Kenya, Mau-Mau vs UK
Tunisian war of Independence
Moroccan War of Independence
Taiwan Strait Crisis
First Indochina War Comm. vs France
Philippines, Huk rebels vs Govt
Korean War
Bolivian Revolution
Indian Govt vs Communist Rebels CPI
Soviet Union vs Baltic Partisans (’’Forest Brethren’’)
Indonesian Govt vs Republic of South Moluccas
Third Sino-Tibetan War
Cheju Rebellion in South Korea
Arab-Israeli War
Greece Civil War
Chinese Civil War
First Kashmir War
Yemeni Imamate War
Costa Rican Civil War
Civil War in Mandatory Palestine
Indian Partition Communal Violence
Telangana Rebellion and Indo-Hyderabad War
Taiwanese revolt
Paraguayan Gvt vs Rebels
Madagascar Rebellion
Poland and Soviet Union vs Ukrainian Partisans
Indonesian Independence
World War II 1939 - 1945
Franco-Thai War
Third Sino-Japanese War
The Winter War in Finland
The battle of Khalkhin Gol
Arab revolt in Mandatory Palestine
Spanish Civil War
Second British-Waziristan
Changkufeng Incident
Italo-Ethiopian War
Chaco War
Communists vs Koumintang
Saudi-Yemeni War
Spanish Socialists vs Govt
Xinjiang Muslim Revolt
Manchurian War
Aprista Revolt in Peru
El Salvador, La Matanza
Brazilian Revolt
Saya San Rebellion
Senussi Orden vs Italy
The Yên Bái Uprising
Kuomintang vs warlords
Ikhwan Revolt
Sino-Soviet war
Escobar Rebellion
Second Afghan Anti-Reform War
The Cristero War
Kuomintang vs Gansu Rebels
Northern Expedition
Druze revolt
Third Chinese Warlord War
Third Rif War
Afghan rebels vs govt
Nejd-Hejaz Wars
Honduras Coup
Soviet-Turkestan War
Second Chinese Warlord War
Ireland freestaters vs Irregulars
Moplah Riots in Kerala
Blackshirts vs Leftists
Second Greco Turkish War
Russian Revolution and Civil War
Kronstadt Rebellion
Green Rebellion
Iraq vs UK
Conquest of Mongolia
Turkish War of Independence
Lithuanian-Polish War
First Chinese Warlord War
Franco-Syrian war
First British-Waziristan War
Hungary Civil War
Polish-Soviet War
Caco Revolt
Estonian Liberation War
Latvian Liberation
Mexican Revolution
The Dervish State vs Ethiopia, Britain and Italy
Hungarian–Romanian War of 1919
Third Anglo-Afghan War
Sparticist Rising
Second Sino-Tibetan
Finnish Civil War
Southern China Revolt
World War I
Russia-Turkestan
Chinese Govt vs Bai Lang (White Wolf) Rebels
2nd Balkan War
Moro Rebellion
Kuomintang vs Chinese Army
1st Balkan War
Paraguay Coups
Italo-Turkish War
First Sino-Tibetan War
Cuba vs Partido Independiente de Color
Chinese Revolution
Asir-Yemen Revolt
French Conquest of Wadai Sultanate
The second Rif War
Ma al-’Aynayn’s Anti-Colonial Insurgency
Korean guerilla war against Japanese occupation
Portugese war against Dembos
Iranian Constitution War
Morocco unrest
4th Central American war
Romanian Peasant Revolt
Dutch-Achinese War
Zulu Rebellion
Third Central American war
Sokoto and UK vs Mahdist Revolt
Russian Revolution 1905
Maji Maji revolt
Southwest African Revolt
Russo-Japanese war
Uruguay Civil War
Second Yemen Rebellion
Uprisings in Colonial Angola
Ilinden Uprising
The War of a Thousand Days
Philippine insurrection
Second Boer war
The Boxer Rebellion
Sino-Russian War

[zortation]

Originally Posted by ChrisC

Your statement is ridiculous in the extreme. There are two possibilities: you know that and are just looking for a rise from a "Yank," or you are oblivious to the facts and really believe your erroneous statement.

But lets run with it. Let me provide you with an opportunity to back your statement up (which, if you are willing to admit it after the fact, will be a learning experience for you). Below is a list of official wars of the twentieth century. Go through the list and mark off all of the wars in which the US was directly involved (sure, there are some). Divide that number by the total number of wars, move the decimal two places to the right and slap a percent symbol on it. What percent did you get? And of that percentage, how many of those nations does the US now occupy and control (since you seem to think we wish to conquer the world)?

Here is your list, and... good luck proving your "point." Since you implied that the US has a role in "all this," your burden of proof is quite heavy. You must come up with 100%. As I said, good luck. Have at it:

Eastern Ukraine War
Sectarian Conflict in the Central African Republic
Syrian civil war
South Sudan Civil War
Libyan Civil War
Nigeria, Chad, Niger and Cameroon vs Boko Haram (ISWAP)
Yemeni Civil War
Waziristan conflict
Kivu Conflict
Mexican Drug War
Iraqi Insurgency
Afghanistan war
al-Qaida vs USA and allies
Russia vs Chechnyan Secessionists, the Caucasus Emirate, IS
Northern Mali Conflict
Algeria Govt vs Islamic rebels,
Indian Govt vs Maoist Guerillas
Nagorno-Karabakh War
Indian-Pakistani Dispute and Intrastate Insurgency in Kashmir
Turkey Gov vs Kurdistan Guerilla (PPK)
Sudan Government vs Militias
Somalia Civil War
Uganda Civil War
Ethiopian Govt vs Ogadeni Rebels - WSLF/ONLF/AIAI
Philippines Govt vs Mindanao Guerillas
Philippine Government vs CPP Guerrilla
Colombia Govt vs Guerillas Farc and ELN
Burmese Government vs Separatist Guerillas
Israel vs Palestine
Lou Nuer vs Murle (Jonglei conflict)
Mozambique Govt vs RENAMO and FRELIMO
Ethiopia vs Oromia rebels (OLF)
Tajikistan Govt vs Opposition
Iran vs rebel groups (MEK,PJAK etc)
Chad Civil War
Peruvian Gvt vs Sendero Luminoso and MRTA
Sri Lankan Govt vs Tamil Militants (LTTE)
Georgia civil war and South Ossetia and Abkhazia conflict
Burundi Civil War
Nepal Civil War
Southern Lebanon War
Indonesia Gvt vs Aceh Liberation movement
Civil War in Côte d Ivoire
Ituri Conflict
Iraq vs US led coalition
Liberia Civil War
First and Second Congo Wars
Congo Brazzaville Civil War
Angolan Gvt vs UNITA Guerilla
Eritrea vs Ethiopia
Sierra Leone Civil War
Afghanistan Civil War
Yugoslavia vs NATO Forces and UCK Guerilla
Indonesian Govt vs Fretilin - East Timor
Cambodian Govt vs Khmer Rouge
Northern Ireland, The Troubles
Hunde and allies vs Hutu, Banyarwanda
Iraq Government vs SCIRI
Iraq vs Kurdistan (KDP/PUK)
Iranian Govt vs KDPI
Bosnian Govt vs Serbian and Croatian Insurgents
Croatian Govt, irregulars vs Serbian Govt, irregulars, Rep. Krajina
Guatemalan Civil War
North Yemen vs Secessionists
Rwanda Civil War (Hutus vs Tutsis)
Burmese Govt vs Communist Guerillas
Indian Govt vs Sikh insurgents
First Gulf War
El Salvador Gvt vs FMLN Guerrillas
Ethiopian Government vs EPRDF
Ethiopia vs Eritrean Separatists ELF/EPLF
Nicaragua Govt vs Contras
Lebanese Civil War
Sri Lanka Govt vs JVP
Romanian Revolution
Panama Coup and US Invasion
Western Sahara War
South Africa vs ANC
Iran vs Iraq
Sino-Vietnamese War
Namibia vs South Africa
Chadian-Lybian War (Aouzou Strip)
South Yemen Coup
Falklands War
Syrian Govt vs Muslim Brotherhood
Thai Govt vs CPT
Nicaraguan Gvt vs Sandinistas
Uganda vs Tanzania
Iranian Revolution
Rhodesian Government vs ZANU,ZAPU,PF
Vietnam vs Cambodia (Kampuchea)
Indonesian annexation of West Papua
Argentina: Civil War and Dirty War
Balochistan Insurgency
Chinese Cultural Revolution
Cambodian Civil War
Vietnam War
Angolan War of Independence
Turko Cypriot War
Mozambique War of Independence
Yom Kippur War
Chilean MIlitary Coup
Guinea Bissau War of Independence
Laos Civil War
Hutu Rebellion
Sudan Government vs Insurgents
Bangladesh War
Second Kashmir War
Israel vs Egypt
Nigerian Civil War
North Yemen Civil War
First Kurdish–Iraqi War
Football War Honduras vs El Salvador
The Six Day War
Dominican Republic Coup
Congo Crisis
First Rwanda Civil War
Vietnam Civil War
Sino-Indian War
Algerian War of Independece
Bizerte Crisis
Cameroonian Govt vs UPC
Indonesia vs PRRI, Permesta and Darul Islam
Cuban Revolution
1959 Mosul uprising in Iraq
Cameroon War of Independence
Tibetan Uprising
First Lebanese War
La Violencia
Malayan Civil War
Sinai War
Soviet Invasion of Hungary
Kenya, Mau-Mau vs UK
Tunisian war of Independence
Moroccan War of Independence
Taiwan Strait Crisis
First Indochina War Comm. vs France
Philippines, Huk rebels vs Govt
Korean War
Bolivian Revolution
Indian Govt vs Communist Rebels CPI
Soviet Union vs Baltic Partisans (’’Forest Brethren’’)
Indonesian Govt vs Republic of South Moluccas
Third Sino-Tibetan War
Cheju Rebellion in South Korea
Arab-Israeli War
Greece Civil War
Chinese Civil War
First Kashmir War
Yemeni Imamate War
Costa Rican Civil War
Civil War in Mandatory Palestine
Indian Partition Communal Violence
Telangana Rebellion and Indo-Hyderabad War
Taiwanese revolt
Paraguayan Gvt vs Rebels
Madagascar Rebellion
Poland and Soviet Union vs Ukrainian Partisans
Indonesian Independence
World War II 1939 - 1945
Franco-Thai War
Third Sino-Japanese War
The Winter War in Finland
The battle of Khalkhin Gol
Arab revolt in Mandatory Palestine
Spanish Civil War
Second British-Waziristan
Changkufeng Incident
Italo-Ethiopian War
Chaco War
Communists vs Koumintang
Saudi-Yemeni War
Spanish Socialists vs Govt
Xinjiang Muslim Revolt
Manchurian War
Aprista Revolt in Peru
El Salvador, La Matanza
Brazilian Revolt
Saya San Rebellion
Senussi Orden vs Italy
The Yên Bái Uprising
Kuomintang vs warlords
Ikhwan Revolt
Sino-Soviet war
Escobar Rebellion
Second Afghan Anti-Reform War
The Cristero War
Kuomintang vs Gansu Rebels
Northern Expedition
Druze revolt
Third Chinese Warlord War
Third Rif War
Afghan rebels vs govt
Nejd-Hejaz Wars
Honduras Coup
Soviet-Turkestan War
Second Chinese Warlord War
Ireland freestaters vs Irregulars
Moplah Riots in Kerala
Blackshirts vs Leftists
Second Greco Turkish War
Russian Revolution and Civil War
Kronstadt Rebellion
Green Rebellion
Iraq vs UK
Conquest of Mongolia
Turkish War of Independence
Lithuanian-Polish War
First Chinese Warlord War
Franco-Syrian war
First British-Waziristan War
Hungary Civil War
Polish-Soviet War
Caco Revolt
Estonian Liberation War
Latvian Liberation
Mexican Revolution
The Dervish State vs Ethiopia, Britain and Italy
Hungarian–Romanian War of 1919
Third Anglo-Afghan War
Sparticist Rising
Second Sino-Tibetan
Finnish Civil War
Southern China Revolt
World War I
Russia-Turkestan
Chinese Govt vs Bai Lang (White Wolf) Rebels
2nd Balkan War
Moro Rebellion
Kuomintang vs Chinese Army
1st Balkan War
Paraguay Coups
Italo-Turkish War
First Sino-Tibetan War
Cuba vs Partido Independiente de Color
Chinese Revolution
Asir-Yemen Revolt
French Conquest of Wadai Sultanate
The second Rif War
Ma al-’Aynayn’s Anti-Colonial Insurgency
Korean guerilla war against Japanese occupation
Portugese war against Dembos
Iranian Constitution War
Morocco unrest
4th Central American war
Romanian Peasant Revolt
Dutch-Achinese War
Zulu Rebellion
Third Central American war
Sokoto and UK vs Mahdist Revolt
Russian Revolution 1905
Maji Maji revolt
Southwest African Revolt
Russo-Japanese war
Uruguay Civil War
Second Yemen Rebellion
Uprisings in Colonial Angola
Ilinden Uprising
The War of a Thousand Days
Philippine insurrection
Second Boer war
The Boxer Rebellion
Sino-Russian War

Why would I need to come up with 100%? A simple majority would prove my point, which judging by your list is easily attainable.
Let's talk about invasions for example. Out of 71 invasions committed by countries around the world since 1945--according to the link
below--10 were done by the USA, that's 14%. 14% committed by one country out of 195 countries. No other country listed even comes close to that number.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_invasions

That is a telling figure. Why does the most powerful nation in the world feel so threatened that they need to invade other nations so frequently? There is no logical reason for it.

[ChrisC]

Originally Posted by zortation

Why would I need to come up with 100%? A simple majority would prove my point, which judging by your list is easily attainable.
Let's talk about invasions for example. Out of 71 invasions committed by countries around the world since 1945--according to the link
below--10 were done by the USA, that's 14%. 14% committed by one country out of 195 countries. No other country listed even comes close to that number.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_invasions

That is a telling figure. Why does the most powerful nation in the world feel so threatened that they need to invade other nations so frequently? There is no logical reason for it.

You now have the audacity to use the word "logical"? You said "all," not 14%; that's why you need to show "all." As expected, you have failed to show evidence for "all."

If I said all cars are blue, and you called me out on it, would my saying, "Why do I need to show that all cars are blue? 14% are!" be a legitimate response on my part?

Bottom line is that you failed to provide evidence of your claim and made an attempt to legitimize it by lowering the bar. It doesn't work that way.

[DanielSant]

rbohm and msgsing are correct, sadly.Talk about an underdeveloped species.

[desertdetroiter]

Originally Posted by reed067

Money.

Bingo.

That's the real bottom line.