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Old 09-30-2017, 02:15 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Big-govt leftists have been relying for more than a century on a few key principles for pushing their agenda onto people who aren't paying much attention... which is most Americans in our case.
(a) Publish what you want them to believe as widely as possible, so they will take for granted that it's true and legitimate without checking. If it's getting that many headlines, it must be true, right?; and
(b) Proselytize the young, who are eager for spectacular and simple "solutions" and more likely to take your word without thinking things through.

Both are seen going full blast as various sports figures are kneeling or sitting during playings of the National Anthem at televised sports events. None of these "protesting" players ever mention that more black people are shot or killed by black policemen than by white policemen (despite the smaller number of black policemen on the force). They simply announce that whites are the problem, and hope people take their word for it. Corrections, if any, only come hours later on news broadcasts, and only a few of those.

Now the leftists' poison is spreading farther and farther, as facts lag for behind wishful thinking, as the leftists had hoped. A 1st grader took a knee during the daily recitation of the Pledge of Alliegence in his school classroom. Do you suppose the 6-year-old kid had any clue of the reality of the feigned "plague of racism" the leftists claim is at work, despite all facts?

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How schools are dealing with students taking a knee during the national anthem

Kerry JustichSeptember 30, 2017

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....it wasn’t until a 6-year-old boy went down on one knee in his classroom during the pledge of allegiance that parents began to realize that the political issue may need their attention.

In a first-grade classroom in Pasco County, Fla., on Monday, a young boy was reprimanded by his teacher for kneeling during the Pledge of Allegiance. Without being offered an opportunity to discuss his reasoning behind the action, the boy was told to stand up and stop his protest.

“I just wanted to let you know that this morning when it was time to do the Pledge of Allegiance, [your son] went down on one knee,” the student’s teacher told his mother through a text message. “I knew where he had seen it but I did tell him that in the classroom we are learning what it means to be a good citizen we’re learning about respecting the United States of America and our country symbols and showing loyalty and patriotism and that we stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I know its a sensitive issue but I wanted to make you aware. Thanks”

The boy’s mother immediately took her case to the school’s principal, requesting that her son be placed in a different class.

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Old 09-30-2017, 02:20 PM
 
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Where would we be, if eagle-eyed government employees failed to obedience-train six-year-olds into delivering their daily Loyalty Oath?

The fact that you decry "Big-govt leftists" in the first sentence is almost absurdly ironic. You want government to enforce loyalty in the classroom. You don't want small government at all - you just want government that enforces your ideas.

Now, that may feel like small government to you - after all, as long as government is on your side and reinforces your way of thinking, you'll never feel them to be a hindrance.
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Old 09-30-2017, 02:20 PM
 
Location: London
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Learning to be an American means learning that he has the right to take a knee should he choose to.

If I was the mother, I'd tell the teacher, "thanks for letting me know, but I don't see the problem."

And then tell the son that he was completely within his rights.
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Old 09-30-2017, 02:25 PM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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Thanks, I was wondering when I could expect my daily dose of outrage.
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Old 09-30-2017, 02:25 PM
 
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The Supreme Court has already ruled that it is unconstitutional to force students to stand and recite the Pledge.

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The case was West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943). In that case, the Supreme Court struck down a resolution that allowed schools to expel students who refused to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance on the basis that refusing to stand constituted an act of insubordination. The Court held that forcing students to stand for the Pledge constituted compelled speech and violated the First Amendment.
Can Schools Force Students to Stand for the Pledge?
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Old 09-30-2017, 02:26 PM
 
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Learning to be an American means learning that he has the right to take a knee should he choose to.

If I was the mother, I'd tell the teacher, "thanks for letting me know, but I don't see the problem."

And then tell the son that he was completely within his rights.
Him understanding and conveying why he is doing it should also be part of the equation. Otherwise he is parroting that which he sees without knowing why. Which is in and of itself detrimental to him as he grows up.
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Old 09-30-2017, 02:27 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Learning to be an American means learning that he has the right to take a knee should he choose to.
Umm, no, he doesn't. Any more than the football players do, to "protest" in the middle of their workday in the middle of their workplace (stadium) under supervision of their boss (coach, manager or team owner) while accepting the boss's money for performing for the fans. Or in a classroom under supervision of a teacher.

He can take a knee during recess, or when walking to and from school. Then he can make a fool of himself all he wants, backing a nonsense "protest" on his own time, instead of doing it during a standard ritual in which all participate.
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Old 09-30-2017, 02:28 PM
 
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Umm, no, he doesn't. Any more than the football players do, to "protest" in the middle of their workday in the middle of their workplace (stadium) under supervision of their boss (coach, manager or team owner). Or in a classroom under supervision of a teacher.

He can take a knee during recess, or when walking to at from school. Then he can make a fool of himself all he wants, backing a nonsense "protest" on his own time, instead of doing it during a standard ritual in which all participate.
Obey, little citizen-to-be.
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Old 09-30-2017, 02:29 PM
 
Location: London
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Him understanding and conveying why he is doing it should also be part of the equation. Otherwise he is parroting that which he sees without knowing why. Which is in and of itself detrimental to him as he grows up.
The same applies to the students who choose to stand. Otherwise it cheapens patriotism.
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Old 09-30-2017, 02:31 PM
 
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The same applies to the students who choose to stand. Otherwise it cheapens patriotism.
But it's "a standard ritual in which all participate"!
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