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Old 01-28-2018, 09:26 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Your post shows you are and remain utterly irrelevant.

If we actually wished to throttle the violence we obviously would ban handguns.

If however we wish the lesser goal of preventing mass shootings the AR15 and similar is a good target.

How many shootings of more than 25 do you know of being done with handguns?
Fort hood. FN pistol

13 dead 32 wounded.

Next?
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Old 01-28-2018, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Fort hood. FN pistol

13 dead 32 wounded.

Next?
25 dead or greater. Try again.

If that is too hard try a 100 dead or wounded.
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Old 01-28-2018, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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Wrong.

I told you before.

For an engineer you're problem solving and thinking outside of the box skills are lacking...

It isn't the guns. Once again look at the numbers for the dreaded AR15.



You could wish upon your shooting stars and make every firearm and knowledge of how to manufacture them vanish.

And Viola you simply have those intent to harm and kill to seek out other implements.
To believe otherwise is ignorant.
To say at least it didn't happen with an AR15 or a gun, is to prove my point you truly are not interested in solving anything. So what if someone did a mass stabbing and killed 58 in a crowd of 22k at least it wasn't with an AR 15.

Come to think about it... for 2k rounds fired... 58 casualties... kinda says alot about its "lethality"
Someone with a knife could manage 58 in a crowd of 22k easily.

A bomb? Oh boy.
Any other means? A truck? Etc.

But hey, that's okay. lvmensch doesn't have to worry about that damned AR15...


Deterrence there needs to be a deterrence.
That isn’t true, find me a case were one singular knife wielding maniac stabbed 58 in a large group of people? That has never happened in the history of the world. The closest is this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack
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Old 01-28-2018, 09:32 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Binghamton NY 2009

Beretta pistol 13 dead, 4 wounded.

Virginia Tech
Pistols. 32 dead, 17 wounded.
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Old 01-28-2018, 09:33 PM
 
Location: PSL
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That isn’t true, find me a case were one singular knife wielding maniac stabbed 58 in a large group of people? That has never happened in the history of the world. The closest is this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack
Would be. Get rid of guns. You solve nothing. Implement will simply change...
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Old 01-28-2018, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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Wrong.

I told you before.

For an engineer you're problem solving and thinking outside of the box skills are lacking...

It isn't the guns. Once again look at the numbers for the dreaded AR15.



You could wish upon your shooting stars and make every firearm and knowledge of how to manufacture them vanish.

And Viola you simply have those intent to harm and kill to seek out other implements.
To believe otherwise is ignorant.
To say at least it didn't happen with an AR15 or a gun, is to prove my point you truly are not interested in solving anything. So what if someone did a mass stabbing and killed 58 in a crowd of 22k at least it wasn't with an AR 15.

Come to think about it... for 2k rounds fired... 58 casualties... kinda says alot about its "lethality"
Someone with a knife could manage 58 in a crowd of 22k easily.

A bomb? Oh boy.
Any other means? A truck? Etc.

But hey, that's okay. lvmensch doesn't have to worry about that damned AR15...


Deterrence there needs to be a deterrence.
That isn’t true, find me a case were one singular knife wielding maniac stabbed 58 in a large group of people? That has never happened in the history of the world. The closest is this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack and these guys still couldn’t have killed as many as this guy, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woo_Bum-kon. Overall this guy killed more efficiently, and at a higher rate with guns than 8 terrorists with knives.
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Old 01-28-2018, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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Would be. Get rid of guns. You solve nothing. Implement will simply change...
Actually you solve a lot of things if you get rid of guns. Knives are less deadly than guns their are numerous studies ranging from 3%-9% death rate from being stabbed and roughly 25-40% from being shot.
https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/ne...imilar-for-gun
One study in Philly showed 7% for stabbing and 33% for gunshot victims. Clearly when your stabbed you are 4+ times more like to survive. Loss of life is significantly less when your a stabbing victim vs. a shooting victim, this doesn’t even include the fact that stabbing victims are more likely to not go to the hospital vs. gunshot victims.
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Old 01-28-2018, 09:45 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Actually you solve a lot of things if you get rid of guns. Knives are less deadly than guns their are numerous studies ranging from 3%-9% death rate from being stabbed and roughly 25-40% from being shot.
https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/ne...imilar-for-gun
One study in Philly showed 7% for stabbing and 33% for gunshot victims. Clearly when your stabbed you are 4+ times more like to survive. Loss of life is significantly less when your a stabbing victim vs. a shooting victim, this doesn’t even include the fact that stabbing victims are more likely to not go to the hospital vs. gunshot victims.
They're more deadly than ARS going by what the FBI reports...

On the basis of what kills, should bans be placed on knives, hands fists feet blunt force objects?

Red is rifle.
Yellow is hands fists feet knives blunt objects. AR15 is a rifle...



How about automobiles?

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Old 01-28-2018, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Binghamton NY 2009

Beretta pistol 13 dead, 4 wounded.

Virginia Tech
Pistols. 32 dead, 17 wounded.
OK you got one. So after we get rid of the AR15s and similar we can talk about semi auto handguns.

But still less than half the dead and 5% of the wounded.
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Old 01-28-2018, 09:53 PM
 
Location: PSL
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I find it amusing when the basis of banning an implement is suggested...

If guns cause violence... and death...


How is it I have multiple firearms, and haven't killed or wounded anyone with them?

How come other gun owners haven't killed or maimed others with them?



If guns cause violence, and guns cause death, what am I and others doing wrong?

Any anti gun folks care to explain that?
Or would you rather double down and blame the implement and not the individual?
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