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Old 10-07-2017, 02:41 PM
 
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There are other forms of birth control besides the Pill. IUD. Far more expensive, long term, and requires a doctor to insert it. Have you read about women stopping the Pill and getting an IUD instead because they were worried something like Trump's stance might happen? If a woman is in a long term relationship, or married, she might want an IUD instead of taking the Pill for years and years.

Sterilization is also covered in the BC Mandate. Again, cheap? I have know women who got their tubes tied after giving birth in the hospital. Maybe Hobby Lobby wouldn't object to sterilization (no dead babies), but the Catholic Church DOES. Where I used to live, the non-section hospital in town was bought by Catholic Church. If women wanted this procedure after childbirth, they would have to go to a hospital about 20 miles away, and find a local doctor affiliated with a different hospital.

I am 69 years old. Feel like I am living in a time warp, AND back in Catholic school.
You and me both.

I still have a vivid image of the woman kneeling on the floor who died of a botched kitchen table abortion.

Year after year, arguing over whether women should have access to birth control, be able to make her own medical decisions, ... is crazy.

Every baby deserves to be a wanted baby, a baby who has parents who are able to provide the love and care the baby needs. Every woman should be able to decide whether she is ready to be a mother now.

Government has plenty to do without pushing its nose into this.
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Old 10-07-2017, 02:42 PM
 
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It's something they give me in exchange for my working for them. It's not a gift or charity. That's like them deciding to pay me partly in chickens when I want cash.
You have paperwork you fill out when you get hired. You are free to decline the company insurance and get your own policy.
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Old 10-07-2017, 02:45 PM
 
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Because they pay, on average, for 76% of your insurance.

It's THEIR money.
Oh, for crying out loud.

Do you honestly not understand how this works? How employees exchange their labor for salary and benefits?

It's not a donation. Their contribution to your 401K is not charity. Your vacation and sick leave is not a donation.

Geeze Louise.
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Old 10-07-2017, 02:48 PM
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It really is astounding that women's reproductive health is a moral issue in 2017.
Yep because the redneck hicks want to impose their morality.
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Old 10-07-2017, 02:49 PM
 
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However, OPM, via government is not a legit way to go about this. It is up to individuals to exercise the personal responsibility. Do 'accidental' pregnancies happen? Sure, but that too is for the individuals to handle. Or, free society to provide voluntary help.

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You know men have sex and benefit from birth control too, right? And children benefit when parents are able to plan to have children they want. And society benefits when pregnancies are planned and wanted.
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Old 10-07-2017, 03:04 PM
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No. Birth control is a private concern, a private expense, a lifestyle expense, an individual expense, and should be paid for 100% out of personal assets.
So is a person's Alcohol, drug abuse, depression, mental health, obesity, breast cancer and a litany of other health issues. What about mono, herpes, sexually transmitted disease, and erectile dysfunction they are pretty private too. if something is a "private concern " insurance companies and employers don't have to cover it?
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Old 10-07-2017, 03:06 PM
 
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That's true of every single person in the insurance pool. No one else's ailment is your problem. You pool resources so everyone has coverage when they need it.

But this thread is about requiring employees to provide birth control as part of the insurance coverage they offer employees.
The employers can simply make them part time and cut out insurance.
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Old 10-07-2017, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Providing birth control and paying for abortions is far less costly then paying for hospitalization for births and supporting children born to parents that cannot afford and sometimes do not want them. In any case it is the woman's choice to remain pregnant or carry the pregnancy to term. Not yours, not the male and not me.
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Old 10-07-2017, 03:17 PM
 
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Oh, for crying out loud.

Do you honestly not understand how this works? How employees exchange their labor for salary and benefits?

It's not a donation. Their contribution to your 401K is not charity. Your vacation and sick leave is not a donation.

Geeze Louise.
It's their money to spend on benefits as they wish to.
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Old 10-07-2017, 03:19 PM
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Religious folk want to do their god's work through our government but the slippery slope is they are willing to grant the insurance companies and employers license to determine which areas of health care are the result of "lifestyle choices" and they don't have to cover it.
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