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Much to do about nothing!
I am sure he did not where his hands, arm or whatever he used in the assult (yea right!!) were locate her body.
I am shocked to not read she is a liberal and angry b/c Hillary lost the election
Moving on......
Have a good weekend
Would you like to let your teenage daughter stand in front of him? He's apparently been doing this for years.
"Barbara Bush, according to all accounts, stood by when her husband fondled these women. She rolled her eyes. She joked that he might end up in jail. People standing nearby laughed. Aides knew; the Secret Service knew. (One security guard told the woman who initially complained about George H.W. Bush that she shouldn’t have stood next to him.) The same thing had happened enough times that women were warning each other to stay away. Bush’s own spokesman said he did it “routinely.”
Can't help but notice that despite the excuses given for Bush's "good-natured attempts to put others at ease," there are no reports of him trying his grab-ass routine with men.
It's too bad his wife and sons didn't either convince him to stop or else ensure that he wasn't close enough to women to grab at them.
Obviously, they had little concern for the women. But surely, they knew this would eventually get out. Why would they want him known as Herbert the Pervert?
I wonder if people think with all the spin, how black women, black men, black children were sexually abused for 100's of years, raped on a nightly basis, and any other act one could imagine done against them, to them, and upon them. These black people were not trying to get a role to make money or a career, they were simply trying to live and do so under dire and oppressive conditions. They had no one to complain to and everyone knew what was being done and the "whole" white society kept quiet for 100's yrs. Now a few white women in an industry since its inception has been about sexual provocation and everything else related to sex, power and money and like a magnet for all sorts of things within the mix.
Many who were in an arena seeking fame and fortune and media aspirations, and some willing to have no barriers they would not cross, and labeling it as "being open to break barriers to demonstrate they were willing to do what ever to secure roles and gain opportunity, and come back after decades, many only after they've made the money, gained the fame and acclaim, and delighted in being considered a sex symbol at various points and times, and "now" complain, When every one of them, had an exit escape and means to call authorities at the time. but they chose career opportunity over trying to defend their integrity at the time they make claim to say they were harrassing-ly abused.
No one should wish or want to see anyone abused !!!!!! and no one should be abusing anyone !!!!
thus so, one can ask, "how did a whole white society stay quiet for 100's of years while this was abuse, harassment, rape, sodomy and child molesting was being done to black women, black men, black children, on a daily basis??????"
No black people had any media or attorneys, and they certainly were not in a position where they had any means or escape, and no authority would even consider to listen or hear any complaint. Now... that's what true abuse and the horror of what is sexual harassment has historically been for 100's of yrs in America, when people had absolutely no means of escape of any recourse. .
Suddenly, its become a media buzz spin of white women, who were well aware of the Hollywood gaming, and they had means to "escape", and the rights to go to the authorities, and they choose to put the pursuit of fame above standing up for their integrity at the time it happened. Now, its been called and outrage, yet everyone in the arena knew what was going on, what had been going on, and how prevasive it was to the industry.
THEREFORE... One has to look at "PERSPECTIVE(S)" . many of these people stated, they even met again upon additional invitationafter the first incident, but still "never said anything". because they chose career aspiration over standing up for their integrity as an individual, that was by whatever means they arrived at their decision to speak or not speak, became a conscience choice. They weighed their options and chose.
"Opportunity and fame, wealth and the high life of the entertainment status was at the time, more important than standing up for their "integrity"....
One has to give the Vietnamese women much credit, because when it was presented with acts of encroachment upon her, she refused and used the means of escape and left !!! She made a conscience decisions that she "would not" compromise herself in any such way for access and opportunity in the media. That's putting Integrity, ahead of option for opportunity. That story is downplayed and omitted as often as can be. But the bleeding heart stories are played up, when people had every opportunity to escape, and not meet again, yet those spins and cycles are played up by the media, and some even had multiple engagements with the man, they later want to claim as abuse on this bandwagon. Again, "PERSPECTIVE" Matters. Many people left Hollywood, because they did not want to play the game, other stayed and some played the game.... now decades later, after they are wealthy, gained their fame and gained their circle of associates and their status in those circles, now they want to "wipe away the choice they made earlier" and blame it all on someone else. That's a terrible example being communicated to the youth of today.
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In many social situation BETWEEN man and woman.... instead of women stating their desire, and stating their want to engage, they historically, rely on passive non resistance as a means to imply its ok to proceed, as some coy mannerism. NO MORE !!! Men, for your own safety, "ENSURE", that any woman, be woman enough to "verbalized her desire and mutual agreement"!!! If she can't do that, then go find one that is woman enough to do so. THEN.... you don't have to deal with anyone later coming back claiming they were forced into anything.
Often,they claim and want to be seen as independent and strong, then make sure she takes responsibility to be strong enough to "verbally state her desire, and act from her own "self motivated interest and self motivated actions to declare her desire to engage". Yet, at times, as well as even in times when its convenient they claim they were less than a strong and independent individual. One is or One is Not, the flip flop is not suitable in society, when other peoples lives are at stake. One can't play both side of the fence, jumping from one side to the next when its convenient.
Realize if she is engage another woman, she will do so... as you never hear them complain about other woman harassing them, yet, we know it happens and it happens frequently. They don't come back years later saying the women whom they engaged did anything they were not willing to participate in doing.
Truthfulness of Perspective Matters !!!!! and the "whole" of the matter, must be within the perspectives.
I certainly don't doubt that Harassment Exist, and We all know Rape is Real.... and we also know that the standard format of how people interact in what is the coy methodology often promoted of non resistance as supposedly implying consent to proceed... rather than "verbalizing their self interest desire to proceed". Men... you had better not accept "non resistance as some implication to proceed"... you need to ensure that she verbalize her desire as a independent individual who is willing and wanting to engage sex and state it by her own self motivation to make it understood and known. She claims equality as person, then hold her to the self responsibility of acting and being with equal responsibility in the engagement of sexual activities.
It's not hard... I've done it all my life, telling women they need to verbally state their want to engage, many could not, and so, nothing happened, only those who could, would and did state their own self interest and self motivation would I engage. Don't fall for that "I'm shy", because nothing about two people agreeing to have sex has any place for "shyness games". Sex is a matter of "mutual agreement" to get naked and bare and share.
If they can't do that... you are not missing anything, except a lot of trouble later.
Realize there are many woman who are women enough to state what they want.... and there are also those who will quote a price and state a cost, to what they want to bargain or barter, as it relates to sex. Therefore, there is no need to be caught in the trap where later she can come back when things don't work to her satisfaction, or she does not get what she wants, or the favors and submissions she seeks is not given to her. You take all that bartering stuff out of it.
when you deal with "insisting on her being of self responsibility to state her desires".... Be aware, some would rather go chase their girlfriends rather than to be "self responsible enough to tell a guy they want to engage sex", some will resort to any and every other thing they can find, to avoid being "self responsible to tell a guy they want to engage sex".
Know these things and save yourself a lot of trouble... deal with "self responsible women"..... who can assert herself as a self responsible person. People need to get past the early era silliness and teach people male and female, what "equality is, across the board and as a full circle reality as a human being", rather than .... only wanting to use it when it convenient, and claiming victim other times. And in matters of sex should be no exception.... as two self responsible individuals, expressing their individual self motivation and being self motivated in being individually proactively participating equally so in a mutual agreement to engage and share sexual actvities.
This is not the Victorian Age where everyone was living in a structured program of lying about sex.
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The little "joke" that he has said each time tells me this is habitual. Three women have come forward and my guess is there are many more who have decided to keep it quiet.
If it is dementia related, I don't think he's responsible. But obviously everyone around him knew and yet they keep putting him in a situation where it will happen again. Very unfair to the women. What if he does it to an underage girl - is that OK with everyone?
I'm also not sure it's been established he has dementia? I had never heard it before this.
I haven't heard that he does, nor am I claiming that he does. I only said it is a possible effect of Parkinson's. I agree that if that IS the cause, the people arranging these outings need to be more careful.
This is why the problem continues. There are too many excuse-makers for the perv's.
And, clearly, the majority of men don't care whether there's a problem or not. I'd wager a good many can identify with what the jerks are doing, they just don't have they guts to do it themselves.
This is why some people ignore the cries of molestation, because people like this woman minimize it with accusations like this. It looked to me like his hand was simply hanging over the edge of the chair or maybe on the handle. With the big smile on her face............. Ever seen what Biden does on camera right out in the open, groping king so with him we are sure, with this one are not.
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So what does this woman want, lots of money for the trauma of having her backside brushed by an old wheelchair bound man. I am sure people who work in care homes experience this all the time.
Or would she like a Court Case and for the Former President to be jailed for the rest of his life.
I know what every normal decent person wants and that's for this idiotic women to be charged with making idiotic allegations.
Just another one wanting to get her name in the news. Hopefully, she doesn't have to come to the reality up close and personal about what dementia, which Bush is obviously experiencing, and realize how foolish she was. If this were her father with dementia and someone accused him............
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This is one of the signs of dementia. I am no doctor and I have no idea if it is applicable to Bush or not, but if so, as hard as it may be, you keep him away from situations where this may show itself.
It's not OK no matter what your age is. If Bush is unable to control his urges because of a medical condition, it's up to others to do it for him.
Well, first of all, we don't know whether he did or did not, and whether or not he would realize or remember that he did or did not, but I do agree if this is happening, his handlers do need to make allowances for it when setting up public appearances.
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Well, exactly. Why did he apologize? Because obviously he did something he shouldn't have done.
Would you apologize for a completely unfounded allegation? No, you wouldn't.
But, look at all these comments just above trashing this lady. None of those people were there, they don't know the truth. I could care less about Bush Sr or that actress but, reality matters and none of you can say the old geezer didn't do it. So, let it play out and we'll see.
Where is his left hand, btw?
He may not know whether he did or did not do it if it is a result of dementia. You might educate yourself on "age-related dementia" and realize it can strike anyone, you or a family member and that is very hard for all involved.
You can't say he did do it. Not trashing the lady, just pointing out that it got her name in the news, something many actresses and actors are now connected with when pushing their politics. If you want to see a real molester, check out the clips of Biden, he has no regard to age when it comes to a female and he does it out in the open.
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No, you are ignoring the fact that you have no information about HOW LONG some of the old timers have been doing offensive things. But, your chosen view fits your bias so you try to make enabling excuses for other peoples actions while lacking complete information.
Time to grow up..........
So, you seem to have an issue with older men and the supposed molestation, perhaps, you should take that up in the "Psychology" area of the forum.
Please educated yourself on age-related dementia and also, get some help with the anger you have toward older men. I have known many older men in my long life, and they were not molesting people. I did have a friend whose husband was suffering age-related dementia "He is up. I am never sure what he might do. He might come out in his boxers." and I said "Oh, I have seen men in boxers before." My dad always said when it came to how one treated older people, "Some day, you'll be old too." (Sadly, he was not that lucky himself, but I have always given older people that little bite extra benefit of the doubt, and it cost me nothing.)
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What is it about Republican politicians that they just cant keep their hands to themselves?
Unlike Trump, Bush Sr apologized for the sexual assaults. I hope he doesn't get prison, since he is already 90+ yr old.
Are you serious? Here we go for those that want to know what evidence looks like with a "groper":
I volunteer at a va hospital. One time, a veteran threw up all over me. He was sick, he couldn't control himself. So what?
A 93 year old in wheelchair probably couldn't control his thought due to the medical condition he suffers from. Or like you said, very old may suffer from impulse. Not sure why is it such a big deal? Not everything is about sex, some women think they are just irresistible or something. lol
Honestly, does he look up to even having the energy or muscle tone to "pinch" anything. Probably accidently brushed up against her or her against him as close as they were standing. This was a way to get her name in the news.
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I think President Bushs handlers are partly to blame here.
I'm a pro feminist guy and actual sexual assaults should be taken very seriously. However I think this is probably a situation where the actress should not have bothered to go public. Were it a guy who was a lifelong scumbag and this were just one more incident on top of many confirming his bad character, it would be a different matter. But this was a light pat on the backside from a disabled, wheelchair bound 90+ year old whose neurons are unraveling and is not totally himself. He is a decent man who has built a lifelong reputation as such, would never have done this when mentally competent and maybe doesn't deserve to have the reputation he worked a lifetime to build tarnished due to a very minor pat when he is senile and his brain has deteriorated.
This may be easy to take the wrong way and actual assault should never be swept under the rug or excused, but this is a situation I think that a more mature woman with more perspective maybe doesn't go public with something this minor. I think that a woman who perhaps has some experience caring for extremely old people who are mentally no longer themselves maybe is better able process the incident and is not as traumatized by it.
Great post! But, I am still not convinced he did anything. He may have apologized because he didn't remember or was told to. They were standing close and he may or she may have caused a "brush" against her. Sadly, crying assault over this minimizes those who are assaulted in the case where it would be something involving jail time.
I still say when standing close in a group, which I absolutely am not comfortable with, stuff touches stuff at no fault of anyone involved.
For Decades there was a generalized buzz as if women in the Porn Industry were some how forced into that choice of work and profession..... and that persisted for decades, in a society trying by every means to cling to a delusions that being "female meant virtue was a given"..... That was nothing more than a Christian Ideal, promoted throughout history, and pushed to levels of Absurdity during the Victorian Age.... and long after...
Time brought truth, and truth exposed the fact that many of the paper back sex novels were written by women, and over time women became a dominant force as being producers, directors and financiers of the Porn Industry.
Still society tries to promote the image that "just being female is suppose to mean some superior virtue" and everything in life continue to tell society, stop chasing and pretending and trying to make such fiction into reality.
Virtue is about " Individual Character Managements".... NOT .. what Gender one is. !!!!!!!
Therefore, as "Individuals"... one has "the responsibility" to communicate and get to know each other and each others character as a person... !!!! If they don't, then they may place themselves in situations to be a a victim of their own lack of responsibility as well as a causality of another lack of responsibility. and this can happen to male or female and/or both...
It's the same thing we see with Teachers molesting Students... when its a man, the Outrage dominates the Media, yet, when its a woman, its played off with a slap on the wrist, and a claim that she was somehow the victim, or a weak and fragile person who was duped into something.
That crap fits the narrative of a society, that wants to "take self responsibility from a woman" as if her existence is one of being only capable of being submissive or accommodating whether willing or unwilling.
When that is B.S. !!!! They are Individual Human Being, and have the Responsibility To Be Exactly As Such. Therefore she is Responsible for her Conduct, her actions, her disposition, her manner, and her character as well as her indulgences and her desires.
Get Real People...... The time for fictional narratives is long gone.... Truth is what is real....
We can't say what people felt or did not feel... but we do know that "choices were made".... willingly or unwillingly, choice were made.... because objectives were desired.... that we do know, whether it was the man or the woman or both who had objectives that were desired.
they each... did what ever they did, in pursuit of the Objectives they desires. it is between them, as to the matter they of what their consensus was at the time... of what each was willing and did do or did not do, and under what conditions and or circumstance, they make choices of some nature, within the overall pursuit of the individualized or objectives desired.
Dang, I thought when you got to 90 or so you had an automatic license to do pretty much what you wanted to do. Here I am at 80 and nothing to look forward to.
When anything at all is done to Bill Clinton about his entire life being publicly funded serial predation of women, I'll pay attention to a 93 year old in a wheelchair copping a feel.
When anything at all is done to Harvey Weinstein about his entire life being privately funded serial predation of women, I'll pay attention to a 93 year old in a wheelchair copping a feel.
Until then, GHWB copping a feel doesn't make the Give_A_Damn meter so much as twitch.
Dang, I thought when you got to 90 or so you had an automatic license to do pretty much what you wanted to do. Here I am at 80 and nothing to look forward to.
Yeah, but gettin' older beats the alternative.
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My dad always said when it came to how one treated older people, "Some day, you'll be old too." (Sadly, he was not that lucky himself, but I have always given older people that little bite extra benefit of the doubt, and it cost me nothing.)
