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But above you said it just wasn't the social norm in societies that many black people came from? Now you say it's racial oppression?
Black people knew nothing about the norms of where they originally came from, post slavery. Slavery pretty much stripped blacks culturally so the only norms we knew in America were American norms.
"Probably?" Do you have a source? Or are you just guessing?
Kind of just guessing but here is a source. Bookings Institute.
Since 1970, out-of-wedlock birth rates have soared. In 1965, 24 percent of black infants and 3.1 percent of white infants were born to single mothers. By 1990 the rates had risen to 64 percent for black infants, 18 percent for whites. Every year about one million more children are born into fatherless families. If we have learned any policy lesson well over the past 25 years, it is that for children living in single-parent homes, the odds of living in poverty are great. The policy implications of the increase in out-of-wedlock births are staggering.
My guess of 4.4 percent for whites was way off.......if the rate was only 3.1% in 1965. Likely in 1950 it was probably 2%. So....in 1965 the rate for blacks was 8 times the rate of whites. But in 2017 the rate for blacks is only 2.5 times the rateof whites. So it looks like to me whites are doing a lot of catching up.
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Marriage is a social construct. A man being allowed to have only one wife is also a social construct enforced by law. The only thing biological and a prime directive by nature is sexual intercourse between a man and a women. Societies have had success with all different types of arrangements. Success meaning that the children, the product of intercourse, were well taken care of and had both male and female role models.
The issue is really not marriage, but providing offspring with what they need to survive and prosper. Women traditionally raise the children. Men, traditionally, provide and protect so that the women can raise the children. Whatever the arrangements between men and women where, whether the man had several wives or a single wife, the children were always looked after and uncles and or elder men took a role in raising young boys and women raised young girls.
In many traditional African societies today, the language of family is different. In such societies, my brothers kids are considered my sons and daughters. An older person that is unrelated is refereed to as your Uncle or Auntie, or Father or mother. There are no words in these languages for concepts like "Step son", "Step mother", "Step Father", "Step brother", "Half brother" etc. In traditional African societies, everyone in the village is seen an refereed to as family, regardless of how "Marriage" is defined. Kids are looked after by the community/village.
In America and the West, gender roles have changed. The glue holding the social construct of marriage together has been gender roles and dependency. Women were dependent upon a man financially and for protection. If a women wanted to be successful, she had to marry a successful man. Over time, in the West, women gradually became less dependent upon men for marriage as a means of success and protection. Now, marriage is simply advanced dating to carry on a tradition. Given that women are less dependent upon men, there is not much glue to keep a marriage together when the marriage gets old or the man cheats. In the past women had to put up with whatever a man did because they were financially dependent. Today, divorce is much more common and accepted and the reason is born from the same phenomenon of why people are less inclined to get married.
I say that to say that as a general rule, the structure of the traditional family in the West has declined because gender roles has changed. Women are not dependent upon men as much and without that dependency marriage do not form or are not held together like they used to. That having been said, white males still have the most power and income in this society, much more so than the white women. That makes marriage stronger in the white community because the women is still dependent upon the white man to "reach the top" and live the best lifestyle. In the black community its different because the black man has the least economic power in this society. The fear of the black man has led to his suppression in this society and impeded his ability to be the dominant provider in the black community, which places a big strain on marriage.
You have to consider first that society in general is declining relative to the traditional family. Then on top of that you have to look at what racial oppression has done to the black family and the two of those things together explains the current condition of the black family.
Its obvious that whatever was going on in 1950 and before, which created the initial gaps, is why the rate is much higher for blacks than whites. Since 1950 what is obvious that the decline of the American family is true OF ALL RACIAL GROUPS!! The increase the rate for blacks since the 50's has less to do with racism than it has to do with the changing family structure in America. The gap between black and whites, however, IS the product/legacy of racial oppression.
Here's a reference to back this up.
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However, a full 58 percent of unwed mothers of newborns are living with the fathers of their children. Many of them will marry, and many of the married mothers will divorce and become single mothers. What these kinds of statistics show is not the end of fatherhood, but that people's approach to marriage and parenthood is becoming more complex and individualized.
But just because the unwed birth rate is going down doesn't mean that the panic over single motherhood is likely to recede. The majority of Americans believe crime is getting worse, but crime is actually way down since the ’90s. Most Americans also believe teen pregnancy is on the rise, when in fact it's in a sharp decline. So we'll probably continue to hear about how single mothers are responsible for every social ill imaginable.
Black people knew nothing about the norms of where they originally came from, post slavery. Slavery pretty much stripped blacks culturally so the only norms we knew in America were American norms.
"African American religious cultures were born in the crucible of American slavery, a system that not only ruptured direct connections to African history, culture, and religious community, but also set the context for the emergence of transformed and new religious systems. Africans brought forcibly to the Americas came from a variety of cultural, linguistic, and religious environments in West and West Central Africa. Most practiced ancient religious traditions focused on maintaining harmonious relationships with nature and supernatural beings, including gods, spirits, and ancestors. Some enslaved Africans in America, especially those from the Senegambia region, were Muslim while others, such as those from the West African kingdom of Kongo who had come into contact with the Portuguese, were Catholic. African traditional religions dominated among those pressed into New World slavery, however, and these worldviews would serve as the ground for the development of varied African diaspora religious cultures."
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However, world view changes with each emerging generation, as children's choices many times do not reflect that which they were taught by their parents. Often time they will reject old traditions and forge new ones, for themselves.
btw: I do not adhere to the argument that society or the government is to blame for the choices we've made when they have gone awry.
ps: unless one can prove, mass hypnosis ...
Kind of just guessing but here is a source. Bookings Institute.
Since 1970, out-of-wedlock birth rates have soared. In 1965, 24 percent of black infants and 3.1 percent of white infants were born to single mothers. By 1990 the rates had risen to 64 percent for black infants, 18 percent for whites. Every year about one million more children are born into fatherless families. If we have learned any policy lesson well over the past 25 years, it is that for children living in single-parent homes, the odds of living in poverty are great. The policy implications of the increase in out-of-wedlock births are staggering.
So, now remind us all again why72.2% of Black children are born to single mothers? Are Blacks purposely AIMING for a lifetime of poverty? Or what?
So, now remind us all again why72.2% of Black children are born to single mothers? Are Blacks purposely AIMING for a lifetime of poverty? Or what?
You cannot remind someone who is not listening or reading. I tree falling in the forest makes no sound if you drowned that sound out with other noise. Turn off the other noise then you can hear the trees fall. Friendly tip on how to be gain knowledge.
You cannot remind someone who is not listening or reading. I tree falling in the forest makes no sound if you drowned that sound out with other noise. Turn off the other noise then you can hear the trees fall. Friendly tip on how to be gain knowledge.
Then start listening. Better yet look around you.
Reckless family planning is ruinous- to anyone, but particularly to those already in a disadvantage positon.
Stop griping about things from 200 years ago. Sperm made babies then as it did millions of years before that.
It still does.
Mostly stop being antagonistic to those highlighting this problem- that is what it is- a Problem. Nobody enjoys this. Nobody wants to bring you down. Nobody thinks it is some of kind of static problem in your genetic make up.
It's just reckless and self-destructive. To everyone.
"African American religious cultures were born in the crucible of American slavery, a system that not only ruptured direct connections to African history, culture, and religious community, but also set the context for the emergence of transformed and new religious systems. Africans brought forcibly to the Americas came from a variety of cultural, linguistic, and religious environments in West and West Central Africa. Most practiced ancient religious traditions focused on maintaining harmonious relationships with nature and supernatural beings, including gods, spirits, and ancestors. Some enslaved Africans in America, especially those from the Senegambia region, were Muslim while others, such as those from the West African kingdom of Kongo who had come into contact with the Portuguese, were Catholic. African traditional religions dominated among those pressed into New World slavery, however, and these worldviews would serve as the ground for the development of varied African diaspora religious cultures."
___________
However, world view changes with each emerging generation, as children's choices many times do not reflect that which they were taught by their parents. Often time they will reject old traditions and forge new ones, for themselves.
btw: I do not adhere to the argument that society or the government is to blame for the choices we've made when they have gone awry.
ps: unless one can prove, mass hypnosis ...
What do you mean that "could be?" If so-called "blacks," werent stripped of their cultures, the majority would not have European surnames. That is the most obvious evidence of what occurred. But yes, many were Muslim and spoke and wrote Arabic. There were those who spoke and wrote Hebrew. But writing was strictly punished in the vast majority of cases. Any cultural/religious practices associated with Africa in the U.S. was punished.
This was not always the case in other cases in the Americas, which is why orisha religion remains in certain areas.
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