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It is a fact that 13.8% of the population commits 50% or more of the murders. Take those out of the equasion and we go way down the list. They just happen to be black.
Take them out of the equation then how does this country develop from an agrarian start? That 13% just so happens to be descendants of enslaved Americans. You can't subtract out African Americans without radically changing what this country becomes.
If people lived their lives while walking the path of the lord, if they raised their children right, make sure they get an education and instill moral values you could arm them with bazookas and tanks and they wouldn’t harm anyone.
It’s a lack of moral leadership in this country that is killing us. The more freaks we put in places of leadership and authority the more innocents will die. Simple fact.
I laugh at these made up scenarios coming from folks that won’t bust a grape.
This country is FULL of guns, yet we have all these mass shootings that no gun owner ever seems to put a stop to.
Even in the bad neighborhoods, armed thugs die before they ever get a shot off. But these posters who are scared of their own shadows think they’re gonna gun some mass shooter down like they’re Clint Eastwood!
To this point, the very last element of the CCW class I'm involved with revolves around this exact situation. It's based on an actual incident that happened here a few years ago. Our course is quite different from many others that we call "shake n bake". Most CCW classes are 8 hours. Ours is 24. Most of which is classroom and dry range work. Simunitions when we can get them, which makes things gresat when we can.
Any way the situation involves an active shooter in a crowded restaurant. In the actual incident there was more than one person carrying when he opened fire. The newsies were all over that scarifying them as to why they didn't stop the guy. It's pretty simple. They could not do so without hitting innocent people.
The purpose of using this situation in training is to make people realize that turning to their weapon, even in an active shooter situation, is not always the best option. We are NOT training would be gunfighters. We are training thinking people. And every one of our instructors is a been there done that person who has actual, real world experience in defensive use of a firearm. Fully capable of dispelling misconceptions and doing just that.
It's wrong headed to bash CCW holders who didn't shoot to try and stop an active shooter. In most of these cases not even the police, who are under a LOT less restraint in use of lethal force than we are, can't do so without making things worse. Such situations more often than not require different tactics from active engagement. But this does not further arguments that citizens should just not be armed at all. Far from it. There are still many more cases, far more that happen daily than mass shootings, where citizens being armed does halt violent criminals.
The wording in your last statement is confusing but I think I understand what you're trying to say. Thing is, in these "bad neighborhoods" the citizens are not armed. Local laws deny them that. The armed thugs have free rein. If citizens could return fire, I'm thinking a lot of fancy SUVs packed with armed bangers would be bullet magnets. The latter are large and inviting targets. Even just a few people with good rifles could ruin their day.
But anyway, though we may disagree on the issue of armed citizens, you are correct about mass shooting situations. In most cases it is inadvisable to try and return fire. Even for the cops. There's just to much confusion and to many innocents in the line of fire in such cases. Rather than demeaning CCW holders from trying to stop a mass shooter they should be praised for clear thinking. In the case of the people n the local incident. they concentrated on getting their loved ones to safety. They dd not panic, stayed focused and did what needed doing. If left with no choice they could have shot to defend their families, but they assessed things properly and didn't have to.
That they did not use their weapons shows good judgement, good training and serious self control.
To this point, the very last element of the CCW class I'm involved with revolves around this exact situation. It's based on an actual incident that happened here a few years ago. Our course is quite different from many others that we call "shake n bake". Most CCW classes are 8 hours. Ours is 24. Most of which is classroom and dry range work. Simunitions when we can get them, which makes things gresat when we can.
Any way the situation involves an active shooter in a crowded restaurant. In the actual incident there was more than one person carrying when he opened fire. The newsies were all over that scarifying them as to why they didn't stop the guy. It's pretty simple. They could not do so without hitting innocent people.
The purpose of using this situation in training is to make people realize that turning to their weapon, even in an active shooter situation, is not always the best option. We are NOT training would be gunfighters. We are training thinking people. And every one of our instructors is a been there done that person who has actual, real world experience in defensive use of a firearm. Fully capable of dispelling misconceptions and doing just that.
It's wrong headed to bash CCW holders who didn't shoot to try and stop an active shooter. In most of these cases not even the police, who are under a LOT less restraint in use of lethal force than we are, can't do so without making things worse. Such situations more often than not require different tactics from active engagement. But this does not further arguments that citizens should just not be armed at all. Far from it. There are still many more cases, far more that happen daily than mass shootings, where citizens being armed does halt violent criminals.
The wording in your last statement is confusing but I think I understand what you're trying to say. Thing is, in these "bad neighborhoods" the citizens are not armed. Local laws deny them that. The armed thugs have free rein. If citizens could return fire, I'm thinking a lot of fancy SUVs packed with armed bangers would be bullet magnets. The latter are large and inviting targets. Even just a few people with good rifles could ruin their day.
But anyway, though we may disagree on the issue of armed citizens, you are correct about mass shooting situations. In most cases it is inadvisable to try and return fire. Even for the cops. There's just to much confusion and to many innocents in the line of fire in such cases. Rather than demeaning CCW holders from trying to stop a mass shooter they should be praised for clear thinking. In the case of the people n the local incident. they concentrated on getting their loved ones to safety. They dd not panic, stayed focused and did what needed doing. If left with no choice they could have shot to defend their families, but they assessed things properly and didn't have to.
That they did not use their weapons shows good judgement, good training and serious self control.
That and a broken legal system that will prosecute those who shoot in defense of property life and liberty.
If more guns make us safer, why are we not the safest country?
If you start a topic with a fallacious strawman, why do you expect a productive debate?
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