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It’s a lack of moral leadership in this country that is killing us. The more freaks we put in places of leadership and authority the more innocents will die. Simple fact.
That's why we're trying to get rid of Trump and Republicans. Biggest immoral freaks of all.
That and a broken legal system that will prosecute those who shoot in defense of property life and liberty.
If a CCW holder tries to stop an active shooter and hits an innocent, they will indeed be prosecuted. This is where things get off kilter for me because if the police engage in such a situation they won't be held accountable for any innocents hit by their gunfire. LE is under far less rules of restraint than we are. Their ROE allows for a lot of latitude.
In the situation I described had those CCW owner stooped the shooter but hit anyone else they would have been crucified, yet they were crucified anyway for not trying. But by choosing the latter option they kept themselves out of prison. Something the newsies failed to mention in their reports. Instead it was "see, armed citizens CAN'T stop mass shootings!!"
Thing is, we very much could. If we were under the same ROE as the cops, and could handle it on our conscience, which personally I can't. Oh, doing so would very likely prevent further innocent deaths and injury, the good of the many against the few argument. But for one thing the law won't take that into account and for another I don't want the death of someones mother, father, daughter son on my soul. I have enough grief in my life already.
It really is a catch 22. When the chips are down and you and your dearest loved ones are under lethal threat your brain and your body have to be solidly wired together. This is the biggest issue have with shake n bake training and qualification courses. I personally believe that anyone who gets a CCW owes it, as a solemn duty, to their loved ones and themselves to get the best training they can. And to practice on a regular basis. Get into competition so you know at least a bit about what it's like to work under pressure. To master the adrenaline and make to work for you not against you.
It's really annoying how the ban happy bunch just blithely assumes that everyone who carries a gun for defense sees themselves as some sort of action hero. The only action hero, Hollyweird line that anyone I know does take seriously is Dirty Harry saying "A man's gotta know his limitations." This false and insulting image that the gun phobics constantly paint of CCW holders just itching for any reason to use or show their weapon really gets on my nerves.
I have no problem agreeing that there are people out here who shouldn't have a gun. At least not until they get a serious reality check. But these are exceptions, not the rule, and quite often they get that reality check when they find themselves around real, serious shooters.
I laugh at these made up scenarios coming from folks that won’t bust a grape.
This country is FULL of guns, yet we have all these mass shootings that no gun owner ever seems to put a stop to.
Make something else up.*
May 2017 Texas A "good Samaritan" with a gun killed an active shooter who may have been gearing up for a deadly rampage at a Texas sports bar Wednesday night, police said.
When 48-year-old James Jones walked inside the Zona Caliente Sports Bar, started yelling and then allegedly shot and killed Cesar Perez — a 37-year-old restaurant manager who'd attempted to calm him down — Arlington police said witnesses were afraid they would be next.
An armed "good Samaritan" — as the Arlington Police labeled him — happened to be eating at the restaurant with his wife. A concealed carry permit holder, he told her to get down on the ground and then shot Jones in the back.
Even in the bad neighborhoods, armed thugs die before they ever get a shot off. But these posters who are scared of their own shadows think they’re gonna gun some mass shooter down like they’re Clint Eastwood!
Because, we are not unarmed and in bondage to government, taking care of us like property.
We have liberty. Unique to all other nations on earth. We are not like the others and never intended to be.
I am my own King and so are you, unless you gave that title to government to think for you.
All government issues aside, the fact is we are an armed nation. That is not going to change within any of our lifetimes or that of our children. We have always been an armed nation. This is the environment we must function within. People who soil themselves at the mere sight of someone with a firearm on their hip are not suited to our society. Lets face facts, many of the latter type of people will pass within feet of armed people everyday, depending on where they live and not even know it.
I can't go out around here, to the store, out to eat whatever, without seeing numerous people exercising open carry. Lots more are carrying concealed. (sigh) And I've also seen panicked CA touristas frantically dial 911 to report a "man with a gun" literally flying into a fit at the simple sight of a firearm holstered on someone's hip. "But it's not this way in California!!" Which matters a fart in a high wind to us folks.
Hard to believe that all this "Wild West" mentality doesn't see all manner of High Noon shootouts, slapping leather if someone makes a snide comment, Hell, many people who have a firearm on their hip aren't even wearing cowboy hats and long duster coats. Can you imagine? Armed accountants in business suits, nurses in their scrubs with a pistol in their waist pack, one of my specialist doctors carries a custom 1911 openly outside the office.
There are plenty of places around the country where the phobics can live if the mere sight of a person carrying a firearm makes then so terribly triggered and needing a safe place. However that doesn't mean they won't encounter people with guns in these places. They just won't be decent , law abiding folks.
Some people never get untriggered. They just keep reeling out the same bunk over and over, ad infinitum.
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