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Old 11-29-2017, 09:47 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Most people are poor because they have low intelligence. Then they breed with other low intelligence people and make low intelligence kids. Then they live near other low intelligence people and their low intelligence kids go to the same schools, where they then proceed to squander 13 years of free education and then become poor themselves. Then the cycle starts again.

No reason intelligent kids should have to deal with that nonsense.
The education isn't free - it's a social cost that the polity has chosen to undertake. If it turns out that the funding for that social cost isn't effective, or isn't producing the desired results, it's subject to review & possible revision. I don't now where we are nationally on this topic - if the ordinary taxpayer would be willing to revisit the question of a free adequate public education @ the national level & decide whether or not that policy needs tweaking, or if it's just the implementation that needs revision.

That's the risk that underperforming students run - if the nation becomes dissatisfied with the expenditures & results from the public schools, the entire structure of public K-12 schooling could be revisited. The easiest sorting out would be to separate the students who want to learn from those who don't, as evidenced by level of academic performance, attendance, completion of schoolwork, discipline records, & so on.
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Old 11-30-2017, 04:00 AM
 
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It's not a great example. Charter schools are not the same as the public school system, so you're comparing apples and oranges.

And no, the system would not have to change if every child went to public school. The majority of children attend public school and the only change we've seen is that they've grown worse.
It is a great example had you done the teeniest amount of reading on the background of this school and what is expected of the students.

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Old 11-30-2017, 10:03 AM
 
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so your proof is that stupid people marry stupid people and smart people marry smart people but you haven't even attempted to provide support for your claim that poor people are dumb, have you?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.15aba39008cc
There are always a handful of smart people who escape the environment of poverty they were born into. It's one of the things that reflects their intelligence. These people are so intelligent they can succeed without or in spite of poor formal education. Smart people have the ability to identify a problem and then figure out how to solve it. Unintelligent people either don't identify the reason why they are poor or don't have the ability to solve the problem and escape the poverty. We live in a society where the mind is what creates wealth. If someone has an IQ of 80%, how many options do they have to create wealth? There is a physiological bottleneck in play.

Leftists love to throw out the odd anecdotal exception to a rule to "prove" generalizations are "wrong". But nothing is 100% and there are always outliers. The fact remains that intelligent people tend to make more money and intelligent people are more likely to breed with other intelligent people. Leftist social programs can't change the fact that smart people are more likely to make more money.

Or do you want to try and argue there is absolutely no correlation between intelligence and income?
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Old 11-30-2017, 10:17 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I don't resent the tax money my husband and I contribute to support education. It's the best interest of our country to have a well-educated populace.
The populace is NOT well-educated. I and a lot of other people resent having to pay taxes to subsidize a virtual education monopoly (public education) that is less than mediocre, at best, despite spending the most on education among industrialized countries (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-educ...t-study-shows/).

The NAEP (National Assessment of Educational Progress)...

Percent of 12th grade students of each race/ethnicity who are proficient or above:

Mathematics:


Overall: 26%

Asian/Pacific Islander: 47%
White: 33%
American Indian/Alaska Native: 12%
Hispanic: 12%
Black: 7%

Reading:

Overall: 38%

Asian/Pacific Islander: 47%
White: 47%
American Indian/Alaska Native: 26%
Hispanic: 23%
Black: 16%

National Assessment of Educational Progress - NAEP - 12th Grade Mathematics and Reading

Are some groups just less intelligent than others? Or is something else going on? We already know it's not lack of funding causing the significant difference in results. Some of the school districts with the worst results spend among the most $ per student, such as Camden, NJ and Washington, DC.
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Old 11-30-2017, 10:21 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Gates & Buffett are putting a lot of their money into education.
With dismal results:

Bill Gates gets schooled - bloomberg.com

School funding isn't the problem.
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Old 11-30-2017, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Or do you want to try and argue there is absolutely no correlation between intelligence and income?
Nope, I don't want to argue that because it would do absolutely no good, you've sold yourself on the idea that the poor are dumb and that's the end of it.

So I will let you carry on and blame everything that's wrong in the world on leftists and liberals and poor people while congress picks your pocket and transfers what little you have to their wealthy campaign contributors
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Old 11-30-2017, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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With dismal results:

Bill Gates gets schooled - bloomberg.com

School funding isn't the problem.
Your logic is flawed. Yes it is possible to spend money and not get a good result. That in no way proves that you can't make things better by spending money.

Cut the size of all classes in half. Things will get better. Pay large bonuses for teaching in low performance schools...things will get better.

NV and much of the SW under spend on education and gets a worse outcome than the states that spend much more on education.

Spending on education is certainly part of the problem and may be part of the solution.
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Old 11-30-2017, 11:07 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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With dismal results:

Bill Gates gets schooled - bloomberg.com

School funding isn't the problem.
The article is 11 years old. Gates & Buffet are smart guys, & Gates @ least surrounds himself with smart guys in the subject matter @ hand. I'm sure that if his & his foundation's efforts aren't producing results as expected in education, he'll stop the train & analyze what the problems are.

If he can correct the problems, he'll fix them & carry on. If the problems are intractable, he'll move on to the next priority. He's apparently a driven, can-do kinda guy. That's what it may take to break some of the logjams he's addressing. I much prefer a driven, savvy guy with skin in the game to some REMF who sits back & expects to get a Purple Heart for his bedsores.
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Old 11-30-2017, 11:13 AM
 
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The article is 11 years old. Gates & Buffet are smart guys, & Gates @ least surrounds himself with smart guys in the subject matter @ hand. I'm sure that if his & his foundation's efforts aren't producing results as expected in education, he'll stop the train & analyze what the problems are.

If he can correct the problems, he'll fix them & carry on. If the problems are intractable, he'll move on to the next priority. He's apparently a driven, can-do kinda guy. That's what it may take to break some of the logjams he's addressing. I much prefer a driven, savvy guy with skin in the game to some REMF who sits back & expects to get a Purple Heart for his bedsores.
According to many people (just look at the media articles and threads on the election results), Gates is not smart because he does not have a college diploma.
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Old 11-30-2017, 12:09 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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According to many people (just look at the media articles and threads on the election results), Gates is not smart because he does not have a college diploma.
That may be - that he'd be more effective if he had the sheepskin. I'm sure he could figure that out - & if he felt the need, he'd go back to college. With all the business success & fame & fortune that he's achieved, it's hard to say what greater success he could have attained.

I'll leave that thorny issue to the philosopher-kings among us. Gates seems well prepared to attack the problems that he's chosen to attack. Moreover, he's willing - eager, even - to make a difference in the World. & he throws himself into the fray. We'll just have to wait a bit - maybe a generation or two on the more long-term knots - to see how effective he & his foundation have been.
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