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Old 12-04-2017, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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There no downright hatred of the poor.
There are:
Hypocrisy - All the rich need to pay, but I, I don't need to pay.
Greed - The rich need to pay because they have more, and I want more, I want more, I want more!
Violence - If they don't pay, they deserve to be imprisoned.
Maybe get a new hobby?
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Old 12-04-2017, 07:37 AM
 
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Maybe get a new hobby?
Speaking for yourself. Stop coveting other people’s money!
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Old 12-04-2017, 09:59 AM
 
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Like not keeping kids trapped in horrendously under-performing public schools? Look at the NAEP data I posted. Think that's happening by accident? It's FAR more likely that wide-spread institutional racism is being used as a weapon/tool by Dems to keep minorities highly disproportionately under-educated, and therefore poor, on public assistance, and consequently lifelong Dem voters.
Utter nonsense. It's the Republicans who fight funding schools with well paid teachers and adequate facilities.
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Old 12-04-2017, 10:00 AM
 
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HELL NO!!!!

Nobody has any right to any service provided by other people.
Tell that to Ben Franklin. All people provide and pay for one service or another for the benefit of other people. It's called living in a civilized society.
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Old 12-04-2017, 10:11 AM
 
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Tell that to Ben Franklin. All people provide and pay for one service or another for the benefit of other people. It's called living in a civilized society.
“All people”? What about those 47% who don’t pay any federal income tax? What's their fair share for living in a civilized society?

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Old 12-04-2017, 10:22 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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None of those programs have racial restrictions, but like open enrollment in California which allows parents to enroll their kid in another school if there is room, it doesn't solve the problem of how the kid will get to that school, busing pretty much ended in California in 2007 so unless you have a car and time to drive your kid to and from a school that's not in your neighborhood it's probably not going to happen.
Actually, there are several such programs that have race-based restrictions. The pacific Legal Foundation (champions of Constitutional and Civil Rights) is fighting exactly such a case:
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"A new Pacific Legal Foundation video describes the legal battle a mother has undertaken to challenge the St. Louis schools’ race-based transfer policy that blocks her son from attending the school of his choice because he is black.

...According to the program, only students who are not African-American are eligible to transfer from St. Louis County into a school located in the City of St. Louis.

...In the new video, La’Shieka explains that her third-grade son, Edmund, who is excelling at Gateway Science Academy, cannot transfer to the school after she moved into a new house in St. Louis County."
https://pacificlegal.org/press-relea...e-for-her-son/
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Old 12-04-2017, 10:26 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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That's not why we oppose vouchers, that's a right wing canard.
Keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile, look at the results:

The NAEP (National Assessment of Educational Progress)...

Percent of 12th grade students of each race/ethnicity who are proficient or above:

Mathematics:


Overall: 26%

Asian/Pacific Islander: 47%
White: 33%
American Indian/Alaska Native: 12%
Hispanic: 12%
Black: 7%

Reading:

Overall: 38%

Asian/Pacific Islander: 47%
White: 47%
American Indian/Alaska Native: 26%
Hispanic: 23%
Black: 16%

National Assessment of Educational Progress - NAEP - 12th Grade Mathematics and Reading

You're going to have to admit that either some racial/ethnic groups are innately less intelligent than others OR the Democrats are guilty of horrendously cruel systemic institutional racism to make sure minorities don't get uppity.
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Old 12-04-2017, 10:27 AM
 
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By “by all people,” you must mean the 47% who don’t pay any federal income tax.
They pay it.

Then they get a refund after the gov't has used it.

I'd rather see less refunds and better public services but yes, federal taxes do come out of almost everyone's paychecks.
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Old 12-04-2017, 10:29 AM
 
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They pay it.

Then they get a refund after the gov't has used it.

I'd rather see less refunds and better public services but yes, federal taxes do come out of almost everyone's paychecks.
If your net federal tax is $0 or negative, you aren't paying jack squat of your fair share!
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Old 12-04-2017, 10:31 AM
 
Location: My House
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If your net federal tax is $0 or negative, you aren't paying jack squat of your fair share!
You are according to the government.
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