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Old 02-17-2018, 06:21 PM
 
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Well, you slipped a gear or something. Pressure getting to you?
Please...explain how I "slipped a gear" and/or what pressure you are assuming I'm facing here

 
Old 02-17-2018, 06:22 PM
 
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Militias in the time of the FF were organized and regulated by the states, and often had officers appointed by the states. This isn't even arguable. A well regulated militia means exactly what it sounds like. An official militia with officers and such, controlled and answerable to some authority such as the state or the federal government.
true enough, BUT you cant leave off the second part of the amendment, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

remember the founders, with the second amendment, recognized the need for a militia, or citizen army, to protect the nation in times of need, thus the recognition of a well regulated(in good working order) militia. but the founders also did not want the government to regulate firearms, because they knew that when a government can regulate a thing, they can also abolish a thing.

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That's the national guard... not the militia...
yes, TODAY, but back then it was the militia.
 
Old 02-17-2018, 06:24 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Please...explain how I "slipped a gear" and/or what pressure you are assuming I'm facing here
Bad pressure plate? Throw out bearing? Worn synchros?
 
Old 02-17-2018, 06:25 PM
 
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true enough, BUT you cant leave off the second part of the amendment, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

remember the founders, with the second amendment, recognized the need for a militia, or citizen army, to protect the nation in times of need, thus the recognition of a well regulated(in good working order) militia. but the founders also did not want the government to regulate firearms, because they knew that when a government can regulate a thing, they can also abolish a thing.



yes, TODAY, but back then it was the militia.
Militias still exist today...
 
Old 02-17-2018, 06:27 PM
 
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If you want a right, you have to prove you are worthy of it. If your right is not safe for the society, then it has to go. Probably you are right. I should get part of the blame. In fact, I hope that the so called "2nd amendment advocates" start seeing that independent people that were willing to tolerate the "right" to bear guns are fed up and I can tell you I will be happy to see this "right" all gone.
Um... no. A constitutional right, like the 2nd amendment, is something you just have by birth as an American not something you have to prove your worth to obtain. Sure, you also need to follow all applicable laws to exercise that right and it can be taken away by law for cause (ie felony conviction), but your right is not earned but given. And the SCOTUS has been very clear on laws crafted to circumvent our rights. Gun reform, yes. A total ban on the right to bear arms, it’ll never fly.
 
Old 02-17-2018, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Um... no. A constitutional right, like the 2nd amendment, is something you just have by birth as an American not something you have to prove your worth to obtain. Sure, you also need to follow all applicable laws to exercise that right and it can be taken away by law for cause (ie felony conviction), but your right is not earned but given. And the SCOTUS has been very clear on laws crafted to circumvent our rights. Gun reform, yes. A total ban on the right to bear arms, it’ll never fly.
I agree entirely. But no one (excluding the military) has need of a military type (note: type) rifle like the AR-15.
 
Old 02-17-2018, 06:35 PM
 
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I agree entirely. But no one (excluding the military) has need of a military type (note: type) rifle like the AR-15.
Right to keep and bear arms.
Not subjective interpretation of need.
 
Old 02-17-2018, 06:38 PM
 
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I agree entirely. But no one (excluding the military) has need of a military type (note: type) rifle like the AR-15.
Do you have the "need" for social media accounts like Twitter or Instagram where you can preach hateful things, call people names, or provoke violence? I mean with the click of a button you can say awful things to potentially millions of people in seconds all at once. Why do you need to talk to so many people at once? Seems pretty ridiculous to me, why not limit peoples freedom of speech too while we are at it, I mean these social media accounts are just too far reaching.

Nobody can judge the need of someone else without being in their shoes, its all very subjective.
 
Old 02-17-2018, 06:39 PM
 
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The right to trial by jury and the right to own a device that has one sole purpose (killing, with wounding and deterrence thrown in as bonuses) aren't even in the same aisle, let alone ball park.
 
Old 02-17-2018, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Right to keep and bear arms.
Not subjective interpretation of need.
Nope. No one has need for it. Obviously the militia (ie, the Army today) does though.
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