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I'm not trying to punish anyone. This is why its nearly impossible to hold an intellectual conversation on this board. Very few people who post here are able to do so without assigning extreme positions to people in an effort to "win" their side of the conversation. You put words into people's mouths.
Anywho...
Wouldn't laborers be the actual producers while business owners would be the conductors of said production?
that absolutely depends on how we are defining things.
of course labor produces.
but that's not what im talking about. so what we are doing here is trying to bend the definition of words to reform the argument.
the lefts general approach is to find someone to blame and punish them while making the claim they are attempting to "help" some victim.
that absolutely depends on how we are defining things.
of course labor produces.
but that's not what im talking about. so what we are doing here is trying to bend the definition of words to reform the argument.
the lefts general approach is to find someone to blame and punish them while making the claim they are attempting to "help" some victim.
A question to you: Do you think people who are born disabled in America should get more than $700 a month to survive on which they currently get? Please just answer the question without referring to "the inner cities".
Taxes is theft is not a fringe position in this thread.
Regarding punishment, I dont see the problem of taxing the people who buy your politician at a higher rate. Dont kid yourself, the person you voted for listen to the donor class, and you are not a member of that class. Thats the reality, so the donor class get benefits that you dont.
I'm not sure at what point it was said that it was theft, but what's the point of discussing it if you're going to hold on to that. I don't believe it's theft for services mentioned earlier. Basic education, roads and infrastructure, fire, police, etc. Welfare benefits should be temporary until a person can find a job that will provide them the necessary to LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS. it's theft when welfare benefits are never ending for an able bodied person. It's theft when $130 million are used to pay for legal services for illegal aliens like in CA.
You have advocated for an Alabama and Mexico style system of HIGH sales tax, much lower taxes on the rich, a flat and low income tax, a lower tax-to-GDP ratio and destroyed unions. Thats regressive of course, and what you want.
The other developed countries have those: HIGH National VAT tax of 20%-25%, and MUCH higher and FLATTER income tax rate brackets. That's what the US needs to do if we want to have the same type of safety net programs those other developed countries have.
Below: income tax comparison with several of the countries with the most extensive safety net programs... It should be immediately obvious why the US collects insufficient tax revenue to fund the programs you and many lefties say you want:
I'm not sure at what point it was said that it was theft, but what's the point of discussing it if you're going to hold on to that. I don't believe it's theft for services mentioned earlier. Basic education, roads and infrastructure, fire, police, etc. Welfare benefits should be temporary until a person can find a job that will provide them the necessary to LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS. it's theft when welfare benefits are never ending for an able bodied person. It's theft when $130 million are used to pay for legal services for illegal aliens like in CA.
Should the people who are born disabled get more than $700 to survive on or not? Now we need to talk about the reality for the people who drew the short end of the stick. Dont talk about the inner cities for a moment. Just talk about the poor disabled for just a few seconds.
A question to you: Do you think people who are born disabled in America should get more than $700 a month to survive on which they currently get? Please just answer the question.
You're muddying the discussion with able bodied poor uneducated unskilled and children, disabled, etc. It's one of these "why do you hate children and disabled?" questions. I don't want to cut benefits from disabled, I want to cut out those taking advantage of the system, that are not truly disabled. You know it happens a lot, if you can really be honest about it.
The other developed countries have those: HIGH National VAT tax of 20%-25%, and MUCH higher and FLATTER income tax rate brackets. That's what the US needs to do if we want to have the same type of safety net programs those other developed countries have.
Below: income tax comparison with several of the countries with the most extensive safety net programs... It should be immediately obvious why the US collects insufficient tax revenue to fund the programs you and many lefties say you want:
Why are you arguing AGAINST doing exactly what it would take to fund what you want?
Wait, you are arguing we should have MUCH higher taxes on the rich and much stronger unions? Dont try to pull the wool over people's eyes. You have argued for why the taxes on the rich must be much lower and overall taxes-to-GDP must be much lower like in Mexico and unions must be destroyed. Just because you also advocate for a high sales tax like Mexico and Alabama doesnt mean you support a welfare state. Thats ridiculous.
Indeed. But conservatives are defined by the following: the desire to see other people suffer, particularly the people that they deem to be inherently inferior.
Right now they suffer because they are obese and subsequently have poor health.
You're muddying the discussion with able bodied poor uneducated unskilled and children, disabled, etc. It's one of these "why do you hate children and disabled?" questions. I don't want to cut benefits from disabled, I want to cut out those taking advantage of the system, that are not truly disabled. You know it happens a lot, if you can really be honest about it.
Do you think the people who are disabled should get more than $700 a month to survive on or not? You still havent answered the question. Please dont talk about the inner cities and the lazybones for two seconds and lets just focus on the poor disabled for a second. Do you think they should get more than $700 a month to survive on?
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