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In reality, the company you work for owns all rights to whatever you invent and keeps all of the profits. And then you defend the company anyway, all the while complaining about all of the poor people who are screwing you over.
Great on you for completely missing the point. We're talking about taxing the rich more to pay for the poor. You have to choices with your ability, skills and dollars to either choose to make your own widget, buy someones widget or just not want that widget. You have no right to complain when the widget maker makes a profit from it. Theres far too many people taking advantage of the welfare system. Fix that first to help those truly in need before you tax the rich. And if you're truly concerned then donate to a charity, give more money to the IRS on your own or simply find that specific person and give them the money.
You're not describing anything I support. The whole reason their money gives them power in a zero sum game manner is due to the amount of power the state has. It's also how they have so much more money in the first place - they got a hold of state power and rigged things to benefit their interests.
Money alone doesn't cut it. They aren't allowed to use force to take people's money, or make them use their products or services, or place all kinds of requirements and extra costs on their competitors. The state is allowed to do that, so of course they try to tap into that political power to use for themselves.
As I've said a few times already, people aren't willing to reduce the state's power because they just want it for themselves. It's the mentality that we want to have this big powerful organization that works for us, yet it always backfires and people keep doing it over and over again. Just reduce the power of the state (I say eliminate, but let's go with reduce) and then it doesn't matter how much money someone has to corrupt the system.
Simplistic nonsense. When the super rich are given supreme power, who will write anti-trust legislation? Who will write trade deals? Who will staff the court system? No court system? No anti-trust legislation? No trade deals? No prison system? What will happen in your utopia is simply that the super rich will create their own system that the rest will have to abide by, or else face the power of the militia funded by the oligarchy.
Really? So you love the trade union movement and want to massively strengthen it so we become more like Europe? No you dont. Dont pretend that you do just because you are in favor of a Mexican style VAT system. You are not going to get Europe by advocating for a Mexican system.
Please point to my other strawman. Sounds like you're trying to spin your issue on me.
You guys want to reap the benefits of other peoples ideas and manufacturing but you don't want them to make too much profit, by taxation.
Basically I invent and make widget X. It becomes insanely popular and makes me a lot of money you have an issue with that. and you complain that you can't live without widget X. But it's unfair that I make a lot profit from Widget X. Lol.
You said that people want no company to make any profits. But you just misread what people are saying. Just because people believe the rich should be taxed more, doesnt mean people believe no one should be allowed to make any profit.
After they became that way by depending on our labor?
No its a symbiotic relationship and should be treated as such.
Depending on your labor? So my question is why do you allow them to depend on your labor. Why don't you start your own business? Oh that's right, because people like you need to work for someone else because you don't have a clue how to start and run a business. So why don't you bite the hand that PAYS you for your labor.
Originally Posted by T0103E View Post
I was just watching a new speech Jordan Peterson posted and around 55:20 he was talking about George Orwell's take on socialists (as a socialist himself) and also his own past experience...
The point they both made is that there were some people motivated by actual desire to help the working class, but when you actually examine many people's motivations, they're driven by a desire to punish the bourgeoisie, or upper classes. It's not even that they don't care about helping people, but that the higher motivation is envy and tearing down the rich/upper class, and that envy is deliberately whipped up by people with an agenda.
The most dangerous part is that this focus on class warfare, used by Russia and China in the past, is alive and well. I think people should be aware of how those people were manipulated by pitting different groups against each other, playing on their envy, etc. because you're seeing it today with the talk of privilege, racism, sexism, etc.
Same story, just rebranded and sold in different packaging. It's a great speech, and worth watching even if it's little chunks at a time.
Yep, they are also driven by the rhetoric because they hope they'll get a piece of the take.
And anyone who’s brave enough, like a Trump, to try to fix this broken government welfare system is quickly shouted down by the Leftists as being racist and against the poor so the system perpetuates. The Leftist instead of realizing their mistakes, will look for scapegoats, e.g. whites, the rich, Russians, racism, sexism, and every -ism they can come up with. Their solution to their mistakes is to come up with more of their already failed ideas.
What does Trump know about welfare. He's been rich all his life. Living in the white house is a downgrade for him because Trump Towers is a gold castle. I don't think you can fix a system that you know absolutely nothing about. So do you think you could fix it. What qualifies him versus you. He has no more knowledge than any of us.
What does Trump know about welfare. He's been rich all his life. Living in the white house is a downgrade for him because Trump Towers is a gold castle. I don't think you can fix a system that you know absolutely nothing about. So do you think you could fix it. What qualifies him versus you. He has no more knowledge than any of us.
You obviously jealous. If you want to put it in those terms, what does Hillary or Pelosi or any politician for that matter know about fixing the system.
Here's the difference natalie... during the election Democrats didn't listen, they thought they had the election in the bag. Trump heard and understood, he won. You can't be closed minded like Democrats and think you know what the problem and how to fix it. And you won't fix it if you refuse to hear people and silence anyone who tried to tell you the problem.
What does Trump know about welfare. He's been rich all his life. Living in the white house is a downgrade for him because Trump Towers is a gold castle. I don't think you can fix a system that you know absolutely nothing about. So do you think you could fix it. What qualifies him versus you. He has no more knowledge than any of us.
Funny how people who need tax payer funded govt handouts think they know what's best for the country. It's funny how people who don't have an education so they work minimum wage jobs think they know what is best for the economy.
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