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Originally Posted by BugsyPal
If there ever was a place HM would call "home" it would be Windsor Castle, next to probably Balmoral. So it truly is gong to be a "small family" affair. Well small and family like as royal wedding can be I suppose.
Since it is *NOT* a state occasion there is no reason to invite DT and his Missus, and maybe not even the American ambassador. What part of "small family" occasion are you not getting through to some of you people?
Now the Obamas are another matter, as myself and others have said, Barack and Michelle grew quite pally with Prince William, Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Henry over the past several years.
In any event as many have made quite clear, there isn't any sort of compulsion to include and or invite any American public official to what is essentially a family event. If there was something on the back burners and the UK wanted/needed something from the USA, Her Majesty's government could strongly advise/push for an invite. But if that were the case His Orangeness would have had that full frontal state visit including meeting HM at Balmoral by now.
Trump won't be invited, I meant to state in my last post he would not be invited.
The wedding will be much more low key, however there will be representatives from the US in relation to Woody Johnson, the current Ambassador and others.
In terms of an official state visit, it would be a security nightmare due to protestors and Trumps recent tweets haven't helped the situation.
I think any state visit may be postponed indefinitely.
Trump won't be invited, I meant to state in my last post he would not be invited.
The wedding will be much more low key, however there will be representatives from the US in relation to Woody Johnson, the current Ambassador and others.
In terms of an official state visit, it would be a security nightmare due to protestors and Trumps recent tweets haven't helped the situation.
I think any state visit may be postponed indefinitely.
Hardly anyone in UK wanted DT to make any sort of visit, state or otherwise. Was the PM who got that ball started and found herself boxed in, has been a bit of pass the parcel ever since.
Teresa May has her own worries and is working that hard to keep her job; the last thing she needs is a very unpopular POTUS arriving on British shores stirring things up. IMHO Ms. May likely thought when making the invite or whatever she was on firmer footing politically.
It is obvious the RF and certainly HM want nothing to do with DT as that part of offer was later rescinded in a subsequent invite to a more subdued visit by His Orangeness.
Again the only reason DT would want an invite/attend Prince Henry's wedding is to get at the Queen.
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle’s royal wedding: Donald Trump ‘almost certain to face snub’
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Originally Posted by Brave New World
According to the latest media reports Obama is to be invited to the Royal Wedding next year but Trump will not be invited.
So Donald still won't get to ride in a Carriage and feel like a Princess.
He probably should be invited for reasons of protocol, but they would be better off without him there. It could be embarrassing ... for all of us. It is a cringeworthy prospect.
If he is invited, hopefully he will fake a bone spur or something and decline.
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle’s royal wedding: Donald Trump ‘almost certain to face snub’ He probably should be invited for reasons of protocol, but they would be better off without him there. It could be embarrassing ... for all of us. It is a cringeworthy prospect.
If he is invited, hopefully he will fake a bone spur or something and decline.
Will ask again; what "protocol" are you referring.
A grandson of HM is getting married. It has *NOTHING* to do with the United States. Well the Markel woman is from the USA but it isn't as if DT knows her or the family personally.
Look over the guest list for Prince Andrew's wedding, do you see the POTUS or any Americans?
Previous to that event we have to go back to the marriage of Charles, Prince of Wales to find American politicians (Nancy Regan for herself and POTUS Ronald Reagan).
Both the marriage of Prince of Wales and Prince William were more state occasions as they are second and third in line of succession respectively. Prince Henry like his uncles Prince Andrew and Prince Edward while in that line is likely never to inherit, so that is that.
And before you or anyone else asks "why", elevating a royal marriage to a state event ups the ante in costs considerably. It also places the same pressures all couples getting married face; making up a guest list that does not offend someone by leaving them off.
If DT gets an invite, then why not Angela Merkel, Emmanuel Macron, Justin Trudeau?
There are no 'Royals' at the Tower of London and since when could you go inside Buckingham Palace or any of the official residences. Versailles is also in the heart of Paris and not on the outskirts of the city like it's UK equivalent Hampton Court, which like the Tower of London has no Royalty in residence.
As for the Tower of London you have to pay £19.40 to get in as opposed to €15 at Versailles, and the most visited places are in actual fact 'free', such as free museums of which London has more than most cities and which are often heavily subsidised unlike in most countries.
In terms of vising the outside of such Palaces there is no available figure, as it's free to go and pose, take a selfie or watch the changing of the guard.
As for the Royal Family it costs only 62p a year to tax payers, which is a small price to pay rather than have a Politician like Trump as Head of State.
The Royal Family may need modernising but calling them parasites is well over the top, indeed most of the money the Royals get goes to the upkeep of palaces and castles which they don't even own.
There are the Crown Jewels are there not? It was the Royal Residence for centuries was it not? It was also the site of execution of tens if not hundreds of Royals and their entourages. It's in the city of London too so there's a huge catchment and easy access. By location and history the Tower and Versailles are comparable.
If the incumbent Royals cause such a draw that they're worth the expense why does it's annual visitors lag? Surely it would exceed say The Winter Palace, indeed I discounted La Louvre because it's both a Royal Palace AND an Art Gallery, but so is the Tower (Crown Jewels are works of art), and it's still lower on visitors annually than Topkapi.
The point I'm making is that claims of Royal benefit for tourism, thus they pay for themselves, is unproven. You can't throw in museums and claim their attendances are through Royal association, but you can compare former Royal palaces. You are even arguing the Royals are worth significantly less than the difference between £19.40 and €15.00 (roughly £6) to most tourists. Versailles has approx £100M in income from no royal family to the Tower of Londons approx £50M with one (and even if we got into specifics over approximately's it's not going to add £50M to the Tower).
So my argument stands the claims that the Royals recoup their costs to the public through tourism are unfounded, it's some Voodoo economics that presumes without Royals all historic monuments lose 100% of their income, which is intellectually dishonest.
As for the description of parasites, well what do you call something that consumes more than it provides at its hosts expense? Your dog may have a close personal relationship with its fleas it doesn't make them any less parasites, even if you run a flea circus (although flea circuses didn't actually use fleas). 62p per person it may be, but it's still costing £40M per year.
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