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Old 12-05-2017, 11:28 AM
 
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You don’t seem to be very well educated on this issue. When the United Nations create it is real, they declared the Jerusalem would be an international city. During the war with Jordan, Israel took the other half of the city, which the entire international community deemed illegal. Regardless of what you think about the Palestinians, the entire international community has agreed that Israel has no right to Jerusalem.
They won it in battle. Why should they give it back??? Russia did not give back the half of Europe they took during WW2 until the fall of the Soviet Union.

 
Old 12-05-2017, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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It doesn't matter what outsiders recognize. It's not up to them. It's just not.


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Trump isn’t an outsider.?
 
Old 12-05-2017, 11:30 AM
 
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They won it in battle. Why should they give it back??? Russia did not give back the half of Europe they took during WW2 until the fall of the Soviet Union.
The rules changed in the post-World War II world. You cannot expand by conquest.
 
Old 12-05-2017, 11:30 AM
 
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Trump isn’t an outsider.?
He's not trying to stop them is he?
 
Old 12-05-2017, 11:31 AM
 
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The rules changed in the post-World War II world. You cannot expand by conquest.
One word. UKRAINE
 
Old 12-05-2017, 11:35 AM
 
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One word. UKRAINE
Maybe you are aware of the fact that the UN does not recognize Crimea as a part of Russia. If Russia wanted to put its capital in Crimea, no one would recognize it.
 
Old 12-05-2017, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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It doesn't matter what outsiders recognize. It's not up to them. It's just not.


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When it comes to Jerusalem, Trump and the USA ARE outsiders.
It's up to the Israelis and Palestinians, with Jordan having the swing vote on the matter.
 
Old 12-05-2017, 11:36 AM
 
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The US made a public law 22 years that a) recognizes Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel and b) mandates moving the US embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, no later than 1999.

That the previous three Presidents and every Congress since 1995 have blown this law off does not lay this at Trump's feet. If his administration in conjunction with the legislative branch do in fact a) recognize Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel and b) move the US embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, all they will be doing is following a 22 year old public law of the United States to the letter, as written, passed and signed into law in 1995.

This is one of those funny Trump criticisms where he is doing something based on an existing law, regulation or EO that everyone else simply ignored, and he apparently is a bad man for following the written passed and signed laws? Am I the only one that can spot both the dysfunction and the hypocrisy in that? Why does Congress write and pass bills that are then signed into law if exactly none of the law is ever to be followed, enforced or applied on/by anyone, ever? What is the freaking point of the Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 if it was not meant to ever be followed to even the slightest degree? Good political theater for Clinton to make him seem like friend of Israel, while also agreeing to never uphold the law to be duplicitous friend of Islam? Same for Dubyah, same for Obama?

Why does that law exist if it is meant to never, ever be followed, enforced or applied?
 
Old 12-05-2017, 11:37 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Originally Posted by gladhands View Post
You don’t seem to be very well educated on this issue. When the United Nations create it is real, they declared the Jerusalem would be an international city. During the war with Jordan, Israel took the other half of the city, which the entire international community deemed illegal. Regardless of what you think about the Palestinians, the entire international community has agreed that Israel has no right to Jerusalem.
No, You don’t seem to be very well educated on this issue. After the Armistice of 1949 Jordan took ALL of the city of Jerusalem which included the Wailing Wall and the Jewish quarter and made NONE of the actual city within the walls international. They went further annexed the land around it and renamed the region it was sitting as the West Bank. It wasn't until the war of 1967 that Jordan lost the land as was pushed back across the Jordan River. Israel in turn made it a international city where all religions, including Muslims, could open up shops within the walls and also pray there. As to the Palestinians, they dismissed having a country during the partition, they were citizens of Jordan from 1949 to 1967 and the Palestinian leadership has declined multiple times since 1967.
 
Old 12-05-2017, 11:46 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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When it comes to Jerusalem, Trump and the USA ARE outsiders.
It's up to the Israelis and Palestinians, with Jordan having the swing vote on the matter.
Jordan should not have any vote in the matter. The only reason Jordan has their Police in the Temple Mount is due to the Treaty they signed in 1994 so to protect it as the local Arabs continuously desecrate it. If the population of Saudi Arabia did the same thing at The Sacred Mosque that is done at The Temple Mount, those citizens would be imprisoned or executed.
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