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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
What's the price tag on the new embassy? Bush threw $750 million into the Baghdad embassy. Nothing wrong with Trump saying Jerusalem is the capital, but why pour money into moving the embassy there? Sounds like a lot of money to invest in symbolism.
So if another nation wanted to build their American Embassy somewhere other than Washington and call it America's capital there'd be nothing wrong with that?
Yes I can blame them...it was never their land as you claim.
Jewish roots go back to present day Israel thousands of years before Muhammed.
No denial of history can change that.
Their land? Whos? The jews in western europe with little to no middle eastern geno or phenotypes? Or the jews previously there already? What about all the jews who convertrd to christianity then islam and became the modern day palestinians? What about the jewish orthodoxy that believes jews should even be in palestine?
This isnt a religious issue and its ****ing stulid to make it one, this is an issue of discriminated people who lost their land point blank.
I am very conflicted about this proposal. I think moving the embassy to Jerusalem, which after all is Israel's capital, would be a pro-Israel gesture ... I am in favor of pro-Israel gestures.
However ...
How will this move advance the cause of PEACE in the Middle East?
Will it be detrimental to our relationship with the Arab countries ... some of which are supposedly our "friends" and "allies."
Understand this: moving the US embassy is purely a SYMBOLIC act. The US has always recognized Israel and maintained an embassy there ... in Tel Aviv ... which is merely a half hour drive or train ride from Jerusalem. Americans and Israelis needing to visit the embassy were never inconvenienced by it's location.
If this act enrages the entire Islamic world - something that will thrill the Fundamentalist Christians in this country - it will have a profoundly negative impact on the United States and the American people.
In the final analysis; what does this move really matter?
The U.S. has authored or figured prominently in ALL attempts to garner peace in the middle east between Israel and it's neighbours. Did any of those efforts award the U.S, any respect or Israel any peace?
Consider what happened to Anwar Sadat then juxtapose that to any expectations for heightened respect from Arabs for siding with them against Israel. The U.S. could eradicate Israel and still be vilified for generations by Arabs brought up on the hatred of past centuries.
It's in their Arab DNA and will not change if you were to have Trump kiss their azz at high noon on Mt Sinai with Al Jazeera and Reuters photogs present.
There is no placating them as far as Israel is concerned nor is appeasing them going to change a dang thing.
What's the price tag on the new embassy? Bush threw $750 million into building the Baghdad embassy. Nothing wrong with Trump saying Jerusalem is the capital, but why pour money into moving the embassy there? Sounds like a lot of money to invest in symbolism.
Symbolism is everything to evangelicals however. This is a very important step, to many evangelicals, in preparing the globe for the second coming of Jesus Christ.
Their land? Whos? The jews in western europe with little to no middle eastern geno or phenotypes? Or the jews previously there already? What about all the jews who convertrd to christianity then islam and became the modern day palestinians? What about the jewish orthodoxy that believes jews should even be in palestine?
This isnt a religious issue and its ****ing stulid to make it one, this is an issue of discriminated people who lost their land point blank.
The "their" I was referencing was whoever you think the Palestinians are.
You seem to be of the belief that there was a formal country of people who were kicked out upon Israel's creation, willfully ignoring that A) the land was a mix of jews and arabs under Brittish control, and B) Arabs fully rejected the partition plan and declared war.
From the Armistice of 1949 to 1967 was Jerusalem an open city? From the Armistice of 1949 to 1967 was Jerusalem open to Jews? From the Armistice of 1949 to 1967 did the international community or the UN do anything to make Jordan make Jerusalem a open city? From the Armistice of 1949 to 1967 did Jordan expand and annex Judea and Samaria and rename them the West Bank? So who was really the expansionist?
From the start of the zionist movement to the balfour declaration was palestine empty of inhabitants?
From 1917 Balfour declaration and British occupation of Palestine were jews intent on peace? From the arab revolution against britain to the 1947/48 break out of war was the intent of zionists to sing kumbaya with their palestinian neighbors or take over some land? I believe in a Palestine where me and all displaced Palestinians get their land back, war criminals are served justice, jerusalem is an open city like it once was under muslim rule a long time ago, and a land where jews dont discriminate against palestinians...
So if another nation wanted to build their American Embassy somewhere other than Washington and call it America's capital there'd be nothing wrong with that?
Didn't I just say there is nothing wrong in Trump calling Jerusalem the capital? It can be the capital with or without the US embassy. We already have an embassy in Israel, so should be pour taxpayer money into moving it to another city?
Why is US Embassy in Tanzania in Dar es Salaam, when the capital is Dodoma? All nations embassies in Tanzania are in Dar es Salaam, just like in case of Israel, they are in Tel Aviv.
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