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Old 12-07-2017, 11:49 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Weren't the Muslims there first?
NOPE. Try reading some history...

 
Old 12-07-2017, 11:49 AM
 
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But they sure do suck up to their big donors who HATE Israel. You know, UAE, Saudi Arabia etc...
It is illegal to accept political donations from foreign governments.
 
Old 12-07-2017, 11:50 AM
 
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The reference was to the seizure of lands and ethnic cleansing.

In any case, at the beginning Germany encouraged emigration, not genocide. Israel does the same in actively making the people's lives miserable, seizing their property and encouraging them to leave.

And thank you for pointing out the reason: Israel can not annex the territories with such a much larger non-Jewish population. It would cease to be Jewish state if these people were allowed to vote. They must go.

In fact, the birth rate among Arab Israeli citizens is higher than Jewish Israeli citizens. Projections are that eventually (not sure when) the Arabs will outnumber Jews within the state of Israel itself as it is now constituted. Israel has a problem, and they have been aware of this for decades.
They can become Israeli citizens and vote if they choose:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel

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Most of the Arabs living in East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights, occupied by Israel in the Six Day War of 1967 and later annexed, were offered Israeli citizenship, but most have refused, not wanting to recognize Israel's claim to sovereignty. They became permanent residents instead. They have the right to apply for citizenship, are entitled to municipal services, and have municipal voting rights.
 
Old 12-07-2017, 11:52 AM
 
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NOPE. Try reading some history...
Her window is very narrow and limited to a couple of decades that suit her needs.
 
Old 12-07-2017, 11:52 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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It should never have been their nation to begin with. The UN screwed the pooch on that one BIG TIME.

Its like if you have refugees come here and then the UN decides the refugees need their own country for *whatever reason* and give them Vermont, Maine and New Hampshire. Do you think Americans would stand for it? Should stand for it?

Its not right.
You REALLY need to read some history about who was there first and quit arguing from a position of total ignorance and only from political partisanship.
Hint: It wasn't the Palestinians.
 
Old 12-07-2017, 11:53 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Her window is very narrow and limited to a couple of decades that suit her needs.
Evidently so, sadly many here have the same issue...
 
Old 12-07-2017, 11:54 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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It is illegal to accept political donations from foreign governments.
Bawwwww hawwww hawwwww hawwwww that's funny as hell.

As we've found out over the years, not if you filter (launder) them through a PAC or foundation...
 
Old 12-07-2017, 11:59 AM
 
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They can become Israeli citizens and vote if they choose:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel
Exactly.

Offered to them to cement a political claim. If Israel actually annexed the west bank they would have to offer citizenship and the vote to all of the residents.

They need to get that non-Jewish population down somehow. That is why they have been engaging in ethnic cleansing, and enraging the local populace.

With that low Jewish birth rate it is a certainty that the Jewish state of Israel will become a Muslim state of Israel eventually (that should make our Evangelical's heads explode). Before that happens the Israeli government is going to get ugly. It will probably be like South Africa was for a time.
 
Old 12-07-2017, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Florida
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You REALLY need to read some history about who was there first and quit arguing from a position of total ignorance and only from political partisanship.
Hint: It wasn't the Palestinians.
Well, that depends who the Palestinians are. They are Arabs, and Arabs have lived there from the beginning of times. Even Jews were Arabs. When Jews came back from Egypt, God instructed them to wipe out the locals, or there would be trouble in the future. Well, they didn't wipe everyone out, and there has been trouble for thousands of years. I am not saying this to argue the land belongs to the Arabs. This is just a historical fact. Of course both sides claim to own the land, which is to be expected. However, today it belongs to the Jews.
 
Old 12-07-2017, 12:04 PM
 
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Well, that depends who the Palestinians are. They are Arabs, and Arabs have lived there from the beginning of times. Even Jews were Arabs. When Jews came back from Egypt, God instructed them to wipe out the locals, or there would be trouble in the future. Well, they didn't wipe everyone out, and there has been trouble for thousands of years. I am not saying this to argue the land belongs to the Arabs. This is just a historical fact. Of course both sides claim to own the land, which is to be expected. However, today it belongs to the Jews.
And, technically, Jews are Palestinians as well as Samaritans are Palestinians.
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