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Old 01-06-2018, 11:39 PM
 
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I will not get political here.

I looked at it and it's a five story building of about 50'x90=4,500 sq ft/floor or 22,500 sq ft total.

Construction type IIIb?



What exactly are the floors made up of? We looking at solid wood joists, perhaps 2x10's or 2x12'xs, with wood flooring and wood lathe and plaster ceilings?

If someone knows what they typically are I would honestly like to know.

Fire in the right place would take this building out before the fire department got there and that fire escape from the 1920's is an absolute joke.

Under today's most common building code, the International Building Code, this building would be Type I non-combustible and if Type IIIb it would be limited to 3 stories unless it had a fire sprinkler system.

Note: I know the code is marked New Jersey but I believe, though I can not be sure, New York pretty much follows the same thing.

Chances are if the building was equipped with fire sprinklers nobody would have died and the fire would never had made the news.

http://www.firemarshals.org/resources/Documents/NASFM%20Documents/F1%20-%20FIRE%20SPRINKLER%20FACTS.pdf



Cost to retrofit fire sprinklers in a building such as this?

New York has high labor costs so it would cost more than say the more rural areas of the country.

A lot also depends on the pressure available at the flow required. For example if you have 60 psi flowing 500 gpm at the street most likely you would not need a fire pump which adds significant costs but if all you got is 30 psi, which has to be very rare, then you will need a small 250 gpm fire pump.

I will take a wild guess here and put the cost at $4.00/sq ft or less than $100,000 but you could probably add $35,000 for a small fire pump by the time you had electrical work added.

In Indiana or Ohio you could expect $2.50 to $3.00 per sq ft and $25,000 for the fire pump if needed. In areas I have worked in, I hold licenses in Alaska, Nebraska, Ohio, Vermont and four states in the south, a fire pump would only be needed in about 20% of the locations. $60,000 unless something weird popped up such as having to install an adequate water main under a four lane interstate highway.

How many rental units did this building have, 25? In most of the country a retrofit would run $2,500 a rental unit but I suppose we could double that in New York City.

That all said, and I hope someone here finds this interesting, knowing what I know I would never spend a single night in a building like that. Not one night, I would rather sleep in the car.

Ok, since many of those posting do not seem to live in NYC, invite you to read the active thread over on our local forum where many of your questions can be answered.


To OP of this query, building in question went up in 1916 and thus predates later changes in fire code laws including construction and fire escapes.


Have watched five to six story buildings going up in my part of NYC (Manhattan) and they are all metal (frames, joists, etc....). This building having gone up in early part of last century and under six stories could have wood, but not sure.


To condense a response to many posts into one; *ALL* entry doors to multifamily apartments, hotel rooms, etc.. by law must be self closing and fire proof. This is designed to keep a fire contained within an apartment instead of the heat, flames, and smoke spreading out into hallways, staircases and other common areas.


For reasons still unknown when this mother fled her apartment she not only didn't close the door behind her , it failed to "slam shut". The rest as they say is history.


Because the apartment was located at foot of stairwell the fire, smoke, fumes, etc... went right up that area like a chimney, again fueled by the currents of air caused by that apartment door not being closed.


Fire then quickly began spreading to rest of building.


As you can see much of the damage is confined to interior surfaces that went up in the fire.


Video: First look inside Bronx building after deadly fire - LA Times
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Old 01-06-2018, 11:42 PM
 
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So incredibly sad. One of the dead men was a young serviceman, who recently came from Ghana and joined the military. He was going back and forth saving others.

Despite that man's heroic acts which saved persons, standard advice from FDNY for ages has always been once you leave a building that is on fire *DO NOT GO BACK IN* for any reason. Yet people do and often that is a cause of death.


Am not saying what that young man did was wrong, not at all. But countless times here in NYC and elsewhere people run back into burning buildings for reasons ranging from to find a pet or to retrieve property they "need".
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Old 01-06-2018, 11:46 PM
 
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I am interested in knowing what a 2 br 1 ba apartment in this location rent for monthly?

https://streeteasy.com/property/8891...spect-avenue-1


Renovated studio on offer a few years ago in same building that just burned:




https://www.nakedapartments.com/buil...t-avenue-Bronx
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Old 01-12-2018, 01:01 AM
 
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What the hell does this have to do with de Blasio? This fire was the result of a woman being very negligent.

And MANY rich people live in buildings just like that.

You should change your name to "hatecrowds" because you obviously prefer suburbia over urban areas.
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Old 01-12-2018, 01:12 AM
 
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I am interested in knowing what a 2 br 1 ba apartment in this location rent for monthly?
The price floor appears to be $1600 for that

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_ren...91_rect/15_zm/
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Old 01-12-2018, 01:32 AM
 
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Since I'm playing with Google street view, I thought I'd find the neighborhood where this occurred. According to the article it's the Belmont neighborhood in the Bronx.

That is here.

Here are some typical street scenes of Belmont:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8530...f4jg!2e0?hl=en
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8525...50LA!2e0?hl=en
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8561...aJOA!2e0?hl=en
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8561...eOgA!2e0?hl=en
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8540...Cjog!2e0?hl=en
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8592...v5gA!2e0?hl=en

Like the other "bad" areas I showed, to be sure it's not a fancy area, but it's not some dilapidated slum either.
There are many highly gentrified neighborhoods in New York with similar housing stock

Lower East Side:

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7197...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7209...7i13312!8i6656

East Village:

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7258...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7283...7i16384!8i8192
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