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Old 01-22-2018, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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Boris, are you in Moscow?

Are you a Communist living in the US? Or just another Trump Hater that has nothing else to come back with. I am a US Citizen. Immigrated the right way, not by jumping a fence, which is your idea of Immigration.
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Old 01-22-2018, 09:32 PM
 
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You guys should realize that at 50 cents per watt, a 30% tariff only makes that panel cost another 15 cents/watt, right?

If you are putting in a 5kW system, that is going to cost you a whopping $750.

Meanwhile the installer is bending you over backwards charging obscene lease and loan fees, because you're too stupid to buy the system outright.
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Old 01-22-2018, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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A Trump voter named Boris? Certainly smells fishy!

A Bath and a change of clothes will take care of that most of the time. If not look for a Liberal near you.
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Old 01-22-2018, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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Why would there be a tariff on a washing machine that is made in Newberry, SC? Last time I checked South Caroline is indeed still a part of the United States. They didn't secede again, did they?

Are you confusing "Imports" with machines made here?
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Old 01-22-2018, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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America would be ahead in the world right this day in Clean Energy if Republicans had not attacked every aspect of it, by every means they could conceive to attack, with their aims to defeat the work that President Obama worked diligently to promote.



America would be a Socialist Nation today if Obama had his way and Hillary became the Dictator, and China would be the leading importer of "Clean Energy" because Hillary would have been "For Sale."


Go ahead and write some "Truths" and include the Clintons and Obama when you focus on "Greed" and the crooked deals with Russia with Uranium sales and the robbing of money that was supposed to go for disaster relief in Haiti by the Clintons and their Cronies. Looking forward to it.
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Old 01-22-2018, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Canada
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It looks to me like neither the solar panel tariff nor washing machine tariff will affect imports from China.

From the link posted by the OP:

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The tariffs unveiled Monday apply to all imported solar photovoltaic cells and modules, the main technology on panels that convert solar energy into electricity.

While the action is targeted at imports from China, Trump’s tariffs apply to all imports, since Chinese manufacturers have moved operations to other countries.
Trump imposes 30 percent tariff on solar panel imports | TheHill

By the way, the two solar companies which requested the tariffs are already bankrupt. One of them is a unit of a German company.

As far as washing machines are concerned, from the link posted by another poster:

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Between 2011 and 2015 washer imports came into the United States from South Korea and Mexico, shifted to China and eventually moved to Thailand and Vietnam.
Trump slaps tariffs on imported washing machines, solar panel technology | TheHill
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Old 01-22-2018, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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You guys should realize that at 50 cents per watt, a 30% tariff only makes that panel cost another 15 cents/watt, right?

If you are putting in a 5kW system, that is going to cost you a whopping $750.

Meanwhile the installer is bending you over backwards charging obscene lease and loan fees, because you're too stupid to buy the system outright.
That is not the problem. It is the loading of overhead cost particularly client acquisition basically doubling the bill even if you pay cash. The other result is that the utilities are able to produce electricity at well less than half the cost of roof top. In fact if you think about it the utilities can easily provide roof top units at something around half the cost of the roof top industry. And they likely will in time with system that integrate well into the utility systems.

What I would expect to see is many utilities will begin to build solar sufficient to supply the system fully and reduce fossil to off hour and back up. This is driven by the cost of wind and solar becoming less than the operating cost of fossil fuel. Then we have the battle of the backup as the battery and such technology begins to close in or surpass fossil plants. The last hold out of course will be the gas peaking facilities which are dirt cheap to build but rather expensive to operate.
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Old 01-22-2018, 10:04 PM
 
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I bought US manufactured solar panels when I installed my solar panel system....they can too.
How about your tv(s) or phone(s), do you care where they were manufactured?
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Old 01-22-2018, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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How much coal do we import again?

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The move is a major blow for the $28 billion solar industry, which gets about 80 percent of its solar panel products from imports.
Remember, TAXPAYERS subsidise the a large share of ALL solar panel installations. We are handing taxpayer money to our biggest economic competitor. Especially pathetic when American taxpayers funded the majority of the research and development costs of solar. Even worse when you look at the money handed to US solar panel providers that haven't lived up to the hype.
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Old 01-22-2018, 10:10 PM
 
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Why would there be a tariff on a washing machine that is made in Newberry, SC? Last time I checked South Caroline is indeed still a part of the United States. They didn't secede again, did they?
Samsung has been quite vocal in their statements today about the tariffs. They say it will impact their expansion plans. I don't say it - -they said it. Just saying.

Tariffs usually end up bad for the consumer -- higher prices, less choices.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrobe.../#6e5ade864c14

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1FB30B
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