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It does make it difficult for the public to "make up their own minds" when you get these little tidbits like this. Hard to know what is really going on.
It's almost better to get no information than heavily-curated and selected pieces of information.
We as a nation have never been confronted with the attempted coup of a duly elected president before, so we are in uncharted waters.
If the need for secrecy makes the agencies charged with protecting the nation's secrets immune from oversight and free to use the investigative powers of the state to attack political enemies at will, then we'll just have to make other arrangements for keeping secrets.
Since attacking a political foe is exactly what appears to have happened in this case, the memo will have to due for "other arrangements" until a better system can be put in place.
We as a nation have never been confronted with the attempted coup of a duly elected president before, so we are in uncharted waters.
If the need for secrecy makes the agencies charged with protecting the nation's secrets immune from oversight and free to use the investigative powers of the state to attack political enemies at will, then we'll just have to make other arrangements for keeping secrets.
Since attacking a political foe is exactly what appears to have happened in this case, the memo will have to due for "other arrangements" until a better system can be put in place.
What evidence points to a coup against Donald Trump?
This is right out of the Turkey playbook. Rile everyone up, claim a coup attempt by the other side, and start purging people from government so you can take control.
In this case its a "coup" attempt because people are trying to investigate his criminal acts. Meanwhile his lackeys are attacking the investigating agencies.
So now that you've been provided evidence that the FBI issued a statement citing "grave concerns" over the release of the memo, does the Committee's vote to release it at all concern you?
No, the statement from the FBI says it has concerns about "material omissions". If the FBI is concerned about omissions, they can provide the information that they think is being omitted.
I'm all for transparency.
If the FBI can prove Nune's memo is wrong, lets see the evidence.
The statement form Nunes.
House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes issued the following statement today:
“Having stonewalled Congress’ demands for information for nearly a year, it’s no surprise to see the FBI and DOJ issue spurious objections to allowing the American people to see information related to surveillance abuses at these agencies. The FBI is intimately familiar with ‘material omissions’ with respect to their presentations to both Congress and the courts, and they are welcome to make public, to the greatest extent possible, all the information they have on these abuses. Regardless, it’s clear that top officials used unverified information in a court document to fuel a counter-intelligence investigation during an American political campaign. Once the truth gets out, we can begin taking steps to ensure our intelligence agencies and courts are never misused like this again.”
I also don't get this idea that the subjects of criminal investigations should be provided access to investigatory files. Should Tony Soprano be able to walk into the FBI's Northern New Jersey field office and review everything they know, including who in his crew is working as informants, wire taps, etc?
No, the statement from the FBI says it has concerns about "material omissions". If the FBI is concerned about omissions, they can provide the information that they think is being omitted.
I'm all for transparency.
If the FBI can prove Nune's memo is wrong, lets see the evidence.
Because it's not like we are dealing with confidential materials (may I remind you how conservatives have screamed about confidential information in the Clinton e-mails, but now that Nunes references confidential material in his memo, the situation is fundamentally altered) and national security. Please, carry on.
I also don't get this idea that the subjects of criminal investigations should be provided access to investigatory files. Should Tony Soprano be able to walk into the FBI's Northern New Jersey field office and review everything they know, including who in his crew is working as informants, wire taps, etc?
LOL this President often plays in the grayest of area's.
No, the statement from the FBI says it has concerns about "material omissions". If the FBI is concerned about omissions, they can provide the information that they think is being omitted.
That's not all it says.
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we have grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo’s accuracy.
Does it concern you that the FBI says material omissions "fundamentally impact the memo's accuracy"?
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Originally Posted by stburr91
If the FBI can prove Nune's memo is wrong, lets see the evidence.
Why would we see the evidence? The evidence is classified. The way to straighten this out would be for law enforcement to meet with the Committee to express its concerns, but the Committee apparently declined to do that.
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