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Old 02-01-2018, 07:23 AM
 
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I seriously hope the next investigation is of Nunes. The guy is dirty.
I think so too.


Plus ... his deceptive actions, changing documents and false claims set him up as a possible accessory if crimes are found.


Aiding and abetting plus obstruction of justice can put him in a bad place.

 
Old 02-01-2018, 07:43 AM
 
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Watergate is a poor comparison since it was relatively straight forward but it took over 2 years, this is more complicated.


That FBI has not claimed that Trump was guilty of a crime, this wasn't about him but rather the Russian attempt to make sure Clinton didn't get elected. There are certainly some eye openers even before he took office criticizing out own intelligence agencies while praising the Russians. All the pressure on firings and removals at FBI and DOJ, if he's innocent why does he bring this up daily.


Probably nothing is going to convince you the DNC servers were hacked, you don't believe our own intelligence agencies. The proof that you seek wont change your mind.
Then why is the FBI/special counsel conducting a criminal investigation? If there is no crime, why have a criminal investigation.

People don't believe that the DNC servers were hacked because the claim was 1) made by a private company with a history of lying about Russian hacking. 2) The evidence provided by this private company has been thoroughly debunked. 3) The evidence shows that the download speeds of the emails being removed could only happen on site, at the server, and not remotely over the internet.

There simply is no credible evidence that the DNC emails were hacked.
 
Old 02-01-2018, 08:11 AM
 
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The entire GOP functions like a Russian intelligence asset at this point. Somebody should be looking into Nunes' finances. I bet a tidy little sum made its way into his pocket from either Russia, Trump or both. You don't get a wingman running interference for you on a federal investigation for free.
Barack had Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch running interference for him.
 
Old 02-01-2018, 09:53 AM
 
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Then why is the FBI/special counsel conducting a criminal investigation? If there is no crime, why have a criminal investigation.

People don't believe that the DNC servers were hacked because the claim was 1) made by a private company with a history of lying about Russian hacking. 2) The evidence provided by this private company has been thoroughly debunked. 3) The evidence shows that the download speeds of the emails being removed could only happen on site, at the server, and not remotely over the internet.

There simply is no credible evidence that the DNC emails were hacked.
If the DNC wasn’t hacked, how do you think DCLinks and WikiLeaks obtained the emails for publishing?
 
Old 02-01-2018, 10:03 AM
 
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People keep asking Devin Nunes, "Did you work with the White House on "The Memo" you wrote?" His answer: silence. He won't deny it. Which means he probably did work with Trump's lawyers to craft a memo to trash the FBI and to protect Trump.

Nunes is actively obstructing justice to protect Trump. He is totally abusing his position as head of the House intelligence committee.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/devin-...-anti-fbi-memo
"Colluded"
"obstruction of justice"


scary words. yet what you have suggested...even if he did it, is not illegal... is not collusion and is not obstruction of justice.


speaking of Obstruction of Justice, when you are given directives to preserve records and turn those records over, and then you take a hammer to your blackberries (like 10 of them), that is the very definition of obstruction of justice.
 
Old 02-01-2018, 10:10 AM
 
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People don't believe that the DNC servers were hacked because the claim was 1) made by a private company with a history of lying about Russian hacking. 2) The evidence provided by this private company has been thoroughly debunked. 3) The evidence shows that the download speeds of the emails being removed could only happen on site, at the server, and not remotely over the internet.

There simply is no credible evidence that the DNC emails were hacked.
Now we have 100% solid proof, from a reliable third party, that the Russians did in fact do the hacking: the Dutch intelligence agency observed the hacking in real time.

"According to Dutch media, AIVD agents also watched when Russian hackers launched an attack on the State Department in 2014 and compromised unclassified systems at the White House as well as in Congress. ...the NSA had been alerted to the hacks by an unnamed Western intelligence agency. The Western ally had previously hacked not only the Russians’ computers but also surveillance cameras inside their offices. The unnamed Western analysts were monitoring the hackers’ maneuvers inside U.S. networks and even collected CCTV footage of those involved."

This is why the "FBI is dirty" gambit by Trump will fail. The Europeans and Australians have corroborating evidence to back up what Mueller has. Trump is toast.
 
Old 02-01-2018, 10:16 AM
 
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People keep asking Devin Nunes, "Did you work with the White House on "The Memo" you wrote?" His answer: silence. He won't deny it. Which means he probably did work with Trump's lawyers to craft a memo to trash the FBI and to protect Trump.

Nunes is actively obstructing justice to protect Trump. He is totally abusing his position as head of the House intelligence committee.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/devin-...-anti-fbi-memo
Why would he not work with The White House? There are many things that White House would not want released, so those would be left out of the final memo.

The memo is a summary of how Obama administration, through the FBI, used Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to spy on regular US citizens, and Trump officials in particular. OF COURSE they talked it over.

At least I hope so.
 
Old 02-01-2018, 10:20 AM
 
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Why would he not work with The White House?
The legislature, the executive branch, and the judiciary are juxtaposed against one another. Balance of power? Nunes is a member of the legislature. He does not work for the President of the United States. He should not be consulting with them, he should not be serving the President in any way. Because he was a part of the transition team, he should recuse himself altogether from investigations involving the President and his staff.
 
Old 02-01-2018, 10:29 AM
 
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Rush just spoke about this and said Nunes DID deny it. Elite media will always report whatever makes Trump look bad. Dems accuse Nunes of cherry picking data. Well, there are backup docs so they could easily prove Nunes wrong if that was the case. Why are they so afraid?

Rush also asked an obvious question: If Trump is guilty of collusion and obstruction why are the Dems so afraid of having this memo exposed? Wouldn't the FBI be eager and proud?

What I don't want to happen is dumping this story on the weekend when it will get lost... although, it would be great for the Sunday political shows. Elite media always protect their DNC masters so they will probably dismiss and ignore the memo.

I wonder how many Dems will announce they won't run for re-election after the memo is released.
 
Old 02-01-2018, 10:44 AM
 
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Rush just spoke about this and said Nunes DID deny it. Elite media will always report whatever makes Trump look bad. Dems accuse Nunes of cherry picking data. Well, there are backup docs so they could easily prove Nunes wrong if that was the case. Why are they so afraid?

Rush also asked an obvious question: If Trump is guilty of collusion and obstruction why are the Dems so afraid of having this memo exposed? Wouldn't the FBI be eager and proud?

What I don't want to happen is dumping this story on the weekend when it will get lost... although, it would be great for the Sunday political shows. Elite media always protect their DNC masters so they will probably dismiss and ignore the memo.

I wonder how many Dems will announce they won't run for re-election after the memo is released.
The back-up docs are confidential docs. Nunes cherry-picked data. And since the source of much of his information is classified, it cannot be easily proven that Nunes is wrong. That's the problem.

Rush's obvious question, the answer is that the FBI isn't eager to reveal classified information, and they are actually reluctant when that release is intended to mislead the public.

Frankly, I'm fine with the release of Nunes' crafted and misleading memo. The fact that Trump has to approve its release is just another brick in the wall of obstruction. Trump rushes to make even more problems for himself. Mueller isn't going away.
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