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View Poll Results: Other than the shooter, who do you think is most responsible for the tragedy
Youtube, for deleting the warning comments of someone on the video 1 0.71%
The FBI 19 13.57%
The sheriff and his deputies 19 13.57%
The NRA 21 15.00%
Donald Trump 1 0.71%
The Second Amendment 6 4.29%
The FBI AND the sheriff and deputies and maybe Youtube too 51 36.43%
Other 22 15.71%
Voters: 140. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-17-2018, 08:22 AM
 
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All students should be taught safe gun handling and marksmanship. Seems obvious.
The absolute last thing we need is a bunch of immature hormone saturated kids walking around with any kind of a weapon!

You've just got to be kidding!...I hope....

All kinds of boyfriends, girlfriends, teachers, administrators, classmates, and parents would end up in the ER with riddled bodies!
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:24 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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These are all valid points.

However we could have a national database of Firearm and ammo purchases that correlates large buys with certain public behaviors - and trigger a visit from LE or the FBI.

Based on the last couple of years of shooting these could have prevented at least some of this - including this one.
Lucky for America, your side isn't going to get that next step. We've done it your way for too long----we're going to make some policy changes that make more sense.

Identifying these nuts before they twist the wires together is a better protocol.
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:26 AM
 
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I wanted to address this separately and let you know how to get it done. Bloomberg style attacks State by State will ultimately fail when the laws come up for review in US district courts and ultimately the Supreme Court. To deal with this you must elect a President who holds gun control as the most important issue facing the United States above all else: abortion, international trade, immigration, environmental concerns, space exploration, research and development, medical care, provisions for old age, and minority rights of the people.
The Congress of course must support this person, 60%.
Then that President can load the courts with anti gun Federal judges who will allow laws to be enforced that are otherwise invalid per the 2nd Amendment.
That is probably easier that the path outlined in my post about Article 5.
"Get out and start campaigning"
If kids keep getting killed in school it won't require Presidential action at all you will see the public turn on guns just the same way their opinion changed about smoking.

PS SCOTUS has already upheld states rights to impose controls on weapons, go look at case law if you doubt me.
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:26 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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The absolute last thing we need is a bunch of immature hormone saturated kids walking around with any kind of a weapon!

You've just got to be kidding!...I hope....

All kinds of boyfriends, girlfriends, teachers, administrators, classmates, and parents would end up in the ER with riddled bodies!
Herein lies the problem. Some people are clueless.
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Raleigh
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You're responses to #'s 4-8 are irrelevant.
(4) You've missed the point. If a relative, friend, or associate commits a crime with your gun, then you should bear partial responsibility for that crime.<>
Replace that with "car" See if that applies?
"I Am Not A Lawyer but it is doubtful"
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:28 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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If kids keep getting killed in school it won't require Presidential action at all you will see the public turn on guns just the same way their opinion changed about smoking.

PS SCOTUS has already upheld states rights to impose controls on weapons, go look at case law if you doubt me.
Why would you provoke such a bloody confrontation? Do you really talk like that around others?
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Raleigh
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Have you got any specific examples of animals committing suicide?<>
Yeah, and the lemming thing is a Disney construct and false.
"So There!"
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:31 AM
 
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Why would you provoke such a bloody confrontation? Do you really talk like that around others?
I have no idea how that relates to anything that I said, I would appreciate your explaining it to me.
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:33 AM
 
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Replace that with "car" See if that applies?
"I Am Not A Lawyer but it is doubtful"
The purpose of a car is to transport. The purpose of a firearm is to kill.

Two completely different purposes requiring two completely different levels of responsibility...
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:33 AM
 
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So if we had 200 million no mass murders? What about 280 million? China has 1.4 billion people, India 1.3 billion, Indonesia 266 million - none of them have mass murders every two or three months

That is probably one of the worst excuses for not doing anything to stop mass shootings that I have ever read, anywhere.
This is a very simple critical thinking framework:

• Identify the problems. — “What’s the real question we’re facing here?”
• Define the context. — “What are the facts & circumstances that frame this problem?”
• Enumerate choices. — “What are our most plausible three or four options?”
• Analyze options. — “What is our best course of action, all things considered?”
• List reasons explicitly. — “Let’s be clear: Why we are making this particular choice?”
• Self-correct. — “Okay, let’s look at it again. What did we miss?”

One way to sidestep this framework is to refuse to identify the problems.

To state the obvious, it's not helpful if the objective is problem-solving.
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