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I'm not insulting anyone. I wasn't there. Draft ended the year before I would have been eligible. Neither, however, did I make it up. Tell me you never heard that before. The truth is somewhere in the middle probably. People have died and more will die and we are having a heated debate about it and its kind of silly to want to defend the honor of the warrior class while the debate rages. That's what got us here.
I am glad you were not there with me. I would not have had time to hold your hand.
Suicides are not a different problem altogether. Suicides and mass shootings are one and the same! Solve the one and you solve the other. You can either get people back to good general and mental health OR you can deprive them of one of the tools that they use to accomplish their self-destructive ends. Guns are the number one bar none most used suicide tool. Why? Because they are easy to use and fairly foolproof. And when you have a culture that has had guns as a centerpiece since ever... why not a gun.
Let's not get ridiculous, no one ever killed 50 people and wounded 500 with knives. A bomb, maybe. How many people have what it takes to build a functioning bomb and detonate it where it is intended to be detonated? Fixing people's mental health looks a lot like a HUGE transfer of income and wealth back to the Middle Class. Period!!!!!!! Nothing else will work. The elites have extracted TRILLIONS of dollars of wealth from the Middle Class and stashed it in the Cayman's. I wouldn't care if they would use it! Spend it. Build #@$% with it. Hire people with it. In the Cayman's it does jack. So there is no money for mental health services, not that much would be needed if people were actually engaged doing stuff instead of sitting unemployed in mom's basement, no girlfriend, no independence, no self-esteem.
The Vegas Shooter there is no explaining. Didn't see him coming. Exactly why you need to ban the guns. When he tried to buy the 2nd one he would have been incarcerated. 50 people would still be alive. NSA can come and get you if you have one picture of child porn on your computer. But you can go to all the weapons sites you want and buy all kinds of ordinance on the Dark Web and no one says boo to a goose.
Please don't tell me we can't stop the killing because we can. This defeatist "this is the price we have to pay to live in a free society". Rubbish. When they want to they take away your rights so fast your head will spin. Enough. As I said, we have reached a tipping point. Each new shooting from here on out is going to result in off the chain outrage. Better contain it. No point in having a Middle Class standard of living if some #$%^ who is butthurt over still being a virgin at 19 can kill you like a dog in the prime of your life. No other citizen of a First World Country can die like that. It simply isn't possible. If you are fortunate enough to be in the Middle Class or better you will live for as long as your genetic potential allows. Even illness is not as likely if you live in a country with a GINI index (income/wealth disparity) lower than 35. The amount of tragedy America's ok and well off people have to endure is simply unacceptable and a lot of it is driven by ignorance. It isn't sustainable.
I do not believe that suicide and mass shooting are one and the same. Have you ever been close with someone that ended up killing themselves ? Have you ever been in close contact with some with similar issues to Cruz ?
Japan highly restricts firearms yet has an astronomical suicide rate yet no one lashes out there.
You are completely naive if you think we can stop people from killing each other simply by banning firearms.
Good for you though, you are one of the few that isn't playing games by saying you are fine with one thing if we ban another. You just want a flat out ban. Even though i feel you are completely off base, i can respect your stance. All i can suggest to you is contact your state representative and rally for a ban.
And in the 70s we carried around speed loaders for our revolvers and we rarely had mass shootings and a bag of guns costs alot of money. When is the last time a mass shooter didn't use an assault weapon ?
What is your solution Gomer ?
That LEO at the school couldn't stop the 19 YO with the superior firepower.
Wow, a fellow AnCap. I think that brings the total up to 4 on this forum.
We should form our own government and bully each other.
To the issues at hand...
Obviously the Left is beyond hope. You know that OP. That takes care of that.
As for the conservative statists (the Right) I've always wondered if push came to shove how many would "click" and go AnCap. Gun confiscation would be the ultimate test to see if they would abandon the State or remain loyal to it.
I don't know. You do have a percentage of statist conservatives that can see the principles, embrace them most of the time, but simply can't make the leap in logic and morality that the State is not compatible with freedom.
I'd love to tell you all of them would abandon the State but I'd be kidding myself. I suspect a very very very small percentage would but the rest would freak out over the possibility of not having State-built roads and simply turn over their guns.
But muh roads!!!11!!!
I've actually had as many arguments over this with right-statists as I have with leftists. They're so set in their "law-and-order" brainwashing they can't imagine a stateless society. They can't imagine a Rothbardian system of market security replacing the Cop-State monopoly.
Of course they will. So-called "conservatives" LOVE the State.
It's why they worship cops, with their incredibly strong public-service union. It's why they worship the military, which is the single most socialist, collectivist part of the entire federal government. It's why they completely disregard the inherent right of property with their blind pushes for the Keystone pipeline and the border wall, which would require large swaths of eminent domain.
To truly have liberty, you don't have a "privatized government." You have the complete absence of a State.
There's no such thing as an absence of State. In an absence of state you have one or more strongmen running things.
I don't label myself. To many here I must be a leftie because I can't tolerate Trump but that's just some kind of weird thinking on their part. I have voted the spectrum in my lifetime and probably will continue to do so based on the merits of each election.
I don't care if you want a gun for protection whatever you need to make you feel secure. It's important to feel secure, safe.
So you think there should be no restrictions on guns at all?
Just anybody should be able to buy whatever they need?
I'm just curious......
I don't label myself. To many here I must be a leftie because I can't tolerate Trump but that's just some kind of weird thinking on their part. I have voted the spectrum in my lifetime and probably will continue to do so based on the merits of each election.
I don't care if you want a gun for protection whatever you need to make you feel secure. It's important to feel secure, safe.
So you think there should be no restrictions on guns at all?
Just anybody should be able to buy whatever they need? I'm just curious......
There are too many restrictions as it is. For 32 years now a civilian can't buy a new selective-fire "AR15" or equivalent no matter who or what they do. That is too restrictive.
I do not believe that suicide and mass shooting are one and the same. Have you ever been close with someone that ended up killing themselves ? Have you ever been in close contact with some with similar issues to Cruz ?
Japan highly restricts firearms yet has an astronomical suicide rate yet no one lashes out there.
You are completely naive if you think we can stop people from killing each other simply by banning firearms.
Good for you though, you are one of the few that isn't playing games by saying you are fine with one thing if we ban another. You just want a flat out ban. Even though i feel you are completely off base, i can respect your stance. All i can suggest to you is contact your state representative and rally for a ban.
I don't know why you (and others) think that an assault weapons ban will lead to a this gun ban and then a that gun ban and then... ... I don't think so. That's why I want to cut to the chase. We won't get to what is effective by wasting time with partial bans. But drawing the red line and holding firm to the tenets of the 2A in its undiluted original form while Americans die is not going to work either.
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