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Old 02-20-2018, 04:27 PM
 
Location: SC
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States rights should allow them to draw their districts however they choose.
You realize this was all done WITHIN the state of Pennsylvania by Pennsylvanians?
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Old 02-20-2018, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Atlanta metro (Cobb County)
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Trump won 10 of the 18 new districts even as he carried the state by less than 1% in 2016, so in terms of this outcome, the map is pretty balanced. Partisan considerations aside, Pennsylvania voters are better served being in districts that are more of a cohesive geographic entity rather than an assortment of locations drawn together in convoluted lines to maximize power for one party. The legislature does have the responsibility to draw seats, but failed to do so within the state's constitutional requirements, so ultimately the courts had to take over the process.

It looks like a number of the districts are closely balanced between Rs and Ds so neither party can take winning for granted, which are in short supply nationally in these days of extreme polarization. My guess is Democrats will see a net gain of seats, but are more likely than not to remain in the minority.
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Old 02-20-2018, 04:38 PM
 
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The majority is allowed to create the districts. The districting maps will be upheld my the supreme court. Maryland, a democrat stronghold, is perhaps the worst case of gerrymandering in the country. It's not a partisan issue. It's been going on for a long time.
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Old 02-20-2018, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The new map is NOT gerrymander free. It has now been gerrymandered for the benefit of the Democrats by a overtly partisan and activist 5-2 Democrat appointed court.

This just goes to show what we already knew - that Democrats are only bothered by gerrymandering when they are not the ones doing it.
The article indicates it was done with the assistance of a University law professor since the two parties couldn't agree. Where do you get that it favors democrats.
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Old 02-20-2018, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The majority is allowed to create the districts. The districting maps will be upheld my the supreme court. Maryland, a democrat stronghold, is perhaps the worst case of gerrymandering in the country. It's not a partisan issue. It's been going on for a long time.
The Maryland democratic district is also being considered in the supreme court, its just as bad as the republican Gerrymandered districts. I don't care what party is in charge this subverts the democratic process.
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Old 02-20-2018, 05:17 PM
 
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The Maryland democratic district is also being considered in the supreme court, its just as bad as the republican Gerrymandered districts. I don't care what party is in charge this subverts the democratic process.
Agreed. People doing stuff like this are not friends of our democracy.
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Old 02-20-2018, 05:19 PM
 
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The new map is NOT gerrymander free. It has now been gerrymandered for the benefit of the Democrats by a overtly partisan and activist 5-2 Democrat appointed court.

This just goes to show what we already knew - that Democrats are only bothered by gerrymandering when they are not the ones doing it.
Dude. Look at District 12:



Do you support this?
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Old 02-20-2018, 05:30 PM
 
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What I do not support is the new Democrat-court gerrymandered map.
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Old 02-20-2018, 05:33 PM
 
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Voting districts is stupid anyway. What's wrong with at large elections ?
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Old 02-20-2018, 05:34 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Sure, we can say that everything a state does is subject to federal jurisdiction using some lame argument, but I'm talking about what the founders wanted as opposed to how people who want to live in a dictatorship want.
You know what people don't want? They don't want to live in a district so gerrymandered that it looks like a f'ing maze.


There's not one thing democratic about that.
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