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Well, there may be a point to it since there is a line of thought to some that porn is part of the moral decay that has brought us to this point.
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Another reminder that these shootings happen in spaces where guns are ALREADY ILLEGAL to begin with (when talking about schools)...
Criminals don't obey laws, more laws aren't going to Suddenly make them start obeying them.
BTW, more people in the US are killed by obesity (#1 killer in the US), should we ban fast food? Require exercise, fine those that don't meet a base maximum bodyfat percentage? More people are killed while driving, should we ban cars? More human lives would be saved by Either of those options than by allowing a Government to reach even further into Tyranny than they do already.
Better to address the problem than slap a bandaid on the result.
No, they're FACTS. I realize the left is anti-science and all about embracing and glorifying irrational emotions, but come on... really?
Te remind you and all the other lefties who are anti-science:
Guns AREN'T the problem. Again, the FACT is that as the gun ownership rate increased by 50%, the gun homicide rate DECREASED by 50%, and the nonfatal violent gun crimes rate DECREASED by 76%.
Too many Republicans in Florida politics. That is the real problem.
Exactly. They are nothing but bought and paid for stooges of the gun lobby. All they care about is selling weapons to everyone, and damn the bloodshed that results.
We live in a nation where there are more places you can legally own mass-murder guns than there are places you can legally smoke a joint, and that is just beyond stupid.
That's because guns AREN'T the problem. Time to remind everyone, again, that the FACT is that as the gun ownership rate increased by 50%, the gun homicide rate DECREASED by 50%, and the nonfatal violent gun crimes rate DECREASED by 76%.
Thank you for mentioning that. However, the following is a 2013 study that says that more guns means more gun homicide rates.
Results. Gun ownership was a significant predictor of firearm homicide rates (incidence rate ratio = 1.009; 95% confidence interval = 1.004, 1.014). This model indicated that for each percentage point increase in gun ownership, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9%. American Public Health Association (APHA) publications
Unfortunately, they won't let me see how they did the study unless I pay for it.
Again, I don't know they did the study, but one issue I could see with your example is that ALMOST ALL crime has been decreasing. Personally, I would hazard a guess that's because of increased internet access giving the sociopaths more safe outlets for their destructive urges, but that's just a guess. I don't have any evidence to back that up. Your graphs only show that crime has decreased with time, and the number of guns has gone up. It hasn't focused on why crime might have decreased much.
Also, here's a study that says that right to carry laws increase rape, robbery, and aggravated assault:
In addition to aggravated assault, the most plausible state models conducted over the entire 1979-2010 period provide evidence that RTC laws increase rape and robbery (but usually only at the .10 level). https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=2443681
It's quite long, if you open the PDF through clicking the "open PDF in browser" option, but here you can see the whole study. It's 108 pages. I swear it let me look at it once. I pushed the back button though, and now it's not letting me see it again.
Guns AREN'T the problem. Again, the FACT is that as the gun ownership rate increased by 50%, the gun homicide rate DECREASED by 50%, and the nonfatal violent gun crimes rate DECREASED by 76%.
There are A LOT of problems with using that data as "proof" guns aren't the problem.
First, how many of those extra guns were bought by the same person? If all the legal and sane gun owners in the nation bought 1 extra gun, that probably wouldn't affect the amount of gun crime, but it is also hardly proof that "guns aren't the problem" anymore than if everyone sane and sober car owner bought an extra car - does that prove that drunk drivers are not a problem?
Second, how much of that decrease in gun violence was directly related to better law enforcement vs. the supposed "harmlessness" of guns? Claiming that the amount of crime decreased does NOT "proof" guns aren't a problem. It can also simply mean that law enforcement techniques for dealing with armed thugs have improved. Note that nearly all crime has been in decline for many years now - does that mean "crime isn't a problem?" And, if so, does that mean people really need to keep owning room-clearing weapons to protect themselves from crime? It's no different than claiming cancer and heart disease fatalities have decreased over the years, therefore "proving" those diseases are not problems.
Look, there is simply no one one can "prove" guns aren't the problem because they ARE a huge part of the problem. Without easy access to mass-murder weapons, these killers wouldn't be able to commit mass murder. Run-away gun violence like this does NOT happen in most of the rest of the developed world, and they all have far fewer guns, tighter gun laws, and better healthcare systems. So, you can either pretend all of the data is "a lie!" as right-wingers love to do, or you can accept reality - guns are a big part of the problem.
Hmmmm....., didn't I keep hearing that the problem is not porn but the people who choose to watch porn??
Oh wait, of course not. That logic only applies to guns. Silly me.
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We have some real idiots in our government here in Florida, starting with Rick Scott. There is a good old boy network here, and things like big sugar puts money into their pockets so they tend to do what is best for themselves, vs what is best for the people.
I am not surprised that they give more importance to porn than kids dying in schools. Bet if you got a peek into their personal computers though, you would find a little porn sprinkled in there.
There are A LOT of problems with using that data as "proof" guns aren't the problem.
First, how many of those extra guns were bought by the same person? If all the legal and sane gun owners in the nation bought 1 extra gun, that probably wouldn't affect the amount of gun crime, but it is also hardly proof that "guns aren't the problem" anymore than if everyone sane and sober car owner bought an extra car - does that prove that drunk drivers are not a problem?
Second, how much of that decrease in gun violence was directly related to better law enforcement vs. the supposed "harmlessness" of guns? Claiming that the amount of crime decreased does NOT "proof" guns aren't a problem. It can also simply mean that law enforcement techniques for dealing with armed thugs have improved. Note that nearly all crime has been in decline for many years now - does that mean "crime isn't a problem?" And, if so, does that mean people really need to keep owning room-clearing weapons to protect themselves from crime? It's no different than claiming cancer and heart disease fatalities have decreased over the years, therefore "proving" those diseases are not problems.
Look, there is simply no one one can "prove" guns aren't the problem because they ARE a huge part of the problem. Without easy access to mass-murder weapons, these killers wouldn't be able to commit mass murder. Run-away gun violence like this does NOT happen in most of the rest of the developed world, and they all have far fewer guns, tighter gun laws, and better healthcare systems. So, you can either pretend all of the data is "a lie!" as right-wingers love to do, or you can accept reality - guns are a big part of the problem.
If increased gun ownership were the problem, one would expect the gun homicide and nonfatal violent gun crimes rates to increase correspondingly with increased gun ownership. The FACT is that they don't.
If increased gun ownership were the problem, one would expect the gun homicide and nonfatal violent gun crimes rates to increase correspondingly with increased gun ownership. The FACT is that they don't.
Guns AREN'T the problem.
Blaming the victims by accusing them to be crisis actors isn't the solution to the problem. The kids aren't the problem. They are the victims. Guns are the problem when they are carried into a school.
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Too many Republicans in Florida politics. That is the real problem.
I disagree, I believe the real problem is too much lobby $$$ buying lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, the country and its people are no longer a priority.
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