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Old 04-10-2018, 08:26 AM
 
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How many of you commenting derision for the poor have been in their shoes? How many of you are speaking from experience?
Me. I've had to survive on beans and rice and dress in threadbare clothes while getting my degree. Growing up soda was a twice a year treat, not like the "poor" today who get it for free.
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Old 04-10-2018, 08:44 AM
 
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Funny, but if American's won't do these jobs (according to you) then how come there's a populated field for US born, in each category?
Because there are many other jobs in each category. In the services sector, there are literally hundreds of jobs ranging from high scale personal shopper, or working the concierge desk in a hotel to cleaning toilets and handing out towels at the cabanas.

And it's not just "according to me" it's a fact. When ICE cracks down on meat/poultry processing plants guess who they hire? Refugees. And with Trump wanting to limit the number of refugees I'm not sure who will be next in line for those jobs, maybe prisoners?
At a Texas meatpacking plant, jobs Americans won't take - Chicago Tribune
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Old 04-10-2018, 08:51 AM
 
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Because there are many other jobs in each category. In the services sector, there are literally hundreds of jobs ranging from high scale personal shopper, or working the concierge desk in a hotel to cleaning toilets and handing out towels at the cabanas.

And it's not just "according to me" it's a fact. When ICE cracks down on meat/poultry processing plants guess who they hire? Refugees. And with Trump wanting to limit the number of refugees I'm not sure who will be next in line for those jobs, maybe prisoners?
At a Texas meatpacking plant, jobs Americans won't take - Chicago Tribune
That's an easy fix. Take away the welfare and deport the illegal's. Americans will have to take those jobs or they will go hungry.
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Old 04-10-2018, 09:33 AM
 
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That's an easy fix. Take away the welfare and deport the illegal's. Americans will have to take those jobs or they will go hungry.
There are already work requirements for TANF and SNAP, but maybe you didn't realize that? https://www.urban.org/sites/default/...t-programs.pdf

No one is going to deport 11 million people and the Chamber of Commerce and Industry lobbyists wouldn't allow it even if it was feasible.
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Old 04-10-2018, 09:38 AM
 
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There are already work requirements for TANF and SNAP, but maybe you didn't realize that? https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/95566/work-requirements-in-social-safety-net-programs.pdf
And if you take way that welfare and deport the illegals, they can get a second job to support themselves, instead of sucking the government tit.

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No one is going to deport 11 million people and the Chamber of Commerce and Industry lobbyists wouldn't allow it even if it was feasible.
So you're OK with corruption that's in direct violation of our federal immigration laws?

All we have to do is make E-verify mandatory and the illegals will self deport.
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Old 04-10-2018, 10:00 AM
 
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And if you take way that welfare and deport the illegals, they can get a second job to support themselves, instead of sucking the government tit.
So you're OK with corruption that's in direct violation of our federal immigration laws?
All we have to do is make E-verify mandatory and the illegals will self deport.
Why do you make assumptions about what I'm ok with? I have been an advocate for e-verify for decades but it won't happen, the agra and construction sectors won't allow it to happen, they buy the 'right' politicians to make sure it won't happen. The Chamber of Commerce which has spent millions fighting e-verify 'slightly' changed their position and said it would be ok as long as there are no sanctions for employers who don't use it Even the states that have mandatory e-verify have numerous carve outs and loopholes for agricultural or household workers, I've posted links to that before so I won't do so again but I'm sure you can find them if you look.

The only way that businesses who depend on illegals for their workforce will ever support e-verify is if they change the visa program to allow for year long work visas for people who work in those sectors of the economy.
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Old 04-10-2018, 06:02 PM
 
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There are already work requirements for TANF and SNAP, but maybe you didn't realize that? https://www.urban.org/sites/default/...t-programs.pdf
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requirements Obama waived for years
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Old 04-10-2018, 06:27 PM
 
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requirements Obama waived for years
Waivers were granted upon the request of five governors, two of them Republican:

"Utah, under Republican Gov. Gary Herbert, was one of five states to ask the federal government for more flexibility in determining work participation; the others were Republican-led Nevada and Democrat-governed California, Connecticut and Minnesota. "The expectation to participate fully in specific activities leading to employment is not the issue," Utah's director of workforce services wrote to the federal Department of Health and Human Services. "Full engagement is a powerful process that can lead to work. It is the narrow definitions of what counts and the burdensome documentation and verification processes that are not helpful."
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...reform/260931/
And they were not waivers to work, but to the classification of what counted as work activities. In 2005 27 Republicans made the same request of Bush.
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Old 04-11-2018, 06:46 PM
 
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This is me. And yes, I have it very bad. Single 26 year old female in Los Angeles. After taxes I make perhaps $2,300. Because my hourly wage full-time adds up to like $30,000 and something before taxes, I don't qualify for any Obamacare subsidies.
I do not have health insurance.

You might want to imagine how I live. Among mold and pests in a tiny motel room that was converted by some slum landlord into a makeshift bachelor apartment.
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Old 04-13-2018, 01:24 PM
 
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This is me. And yes, I have it very bad. Single 26 year old female in Los Angeles. After taxes I make perhaps $2,300. Because my hourly wage full-time adds up to like $30,000 and something before taxes, I don't qualify for any Obamacare subsidies.
I do not have health insurance.

You might want to imagine how I live. Among mold and pests in a tiny motel room that was converted by some slum landlord into a makeshift bachelor apartment.
30K before taxes would qualify for subsidies under Covered CA, unless you have some other income but I do understand that you are basically poor in SoCal. CA housing is a mess, the COL is insane.
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