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Old 04-13-2018, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Boston
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Old 04-13-2018, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Knowing Trump, the so-called refugees are either wealthy titans fleeing state confiscation or attractive women characteristic of Venezuela.
This.
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Old 04-13-2018, 11:57 AM
 
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Trump administration considers taking in Venezuelan refugees | McClatchy Washington Bureau

"The Trump administration has begun informal talks with partner countries in Latin America about the United States taking in some refugees from Venezuela..."

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I'm confused here -- maybe Trump supporters can explain it to me.

I thought Trump's position is that Mexicans and Central Americans are "bad hombres" and we need a wall to keep them out, right? So why are Venezuelans "good"? Why are Syrian refugees "bad" but Venezuelans "good"? And I thought Trump's base hated those "Venezuelan socialists."

Why uproot and deport illegal immigrants from Mexico and Honduras -- many of whom have jobs and families here -- but then allow Venezuelans in?
In return for oil of course lol
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Old 04-13-2018, 12:10 PM
 
Location: In a George Strait Song
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There’s absolutely NOTHING happening in Venezuela that isn’t happening in a half dozen other nations in this hemisphere.
This is inaccurate.

Here are some various examples...

Inflation: inflation in Venezuela in the first quarter of 2018 was 454%. Although other countries in CA and SA are experiencing inflation (notably Brazil at 9%), no other country is experiencing it at this extreme rate.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile..../idUSKBN1HI2MO

Poverty: Almost 90% of the country lives in poverty, up from 48% in 2014. People have lost an average of 24 pounds in the last year. There isn't enough food.
The country is in free fall. From the NY Post: "The study showed that 87 percent of people in Venezuela, one of Latin America’s wealthiest nations back in the 1970s, were living in poverty last year, rising from 82 percent in 2016 and 48 percent in 2014."

Even Guatemala's poverty rate is at 50%.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost....shortages/amp/


Healthcare: the health care system is collapsing. Among the problems are a lack of medicines, malnutrition, a lack of vaccines, and a lack of hospital beds. There is a 90% shortage of medicine and other supplies.
People are dying due to a lack of antibiotics. Women are giving birth in the street. Diphtheria is making a comeback, at rates even worse than Haiti, when it had been declared eliminated in 1993. Malaria has shot up 76%.

"The PanAmerican Health Organization reported on Thursday that 447 cases of diphtheria, plus seven fatalities due to the disease, had been recorded between the middle of 2016 and the middle of this year.

The numbers is the highest in the region, far above Haiti, which reported 72 cases this year. The disease was declared eliminated in the oil-producing country in 1992.

The numbers on malaria are even worse, Rafael Gottenger, president of the Venezuelan American Medical Association, said from Miami.

“Malaria cases are increasing at an alarming rate. The estimate is that this year we will have 800,000, and one million next year,” said Gottenger, whose organization has long been warning that Venezuela is heading into a humanitarian crisis."

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.miami...182770351.html

Another more recent article on the health problems:


Venezuela's President Nicolas Maduro has refused to accept humanitarian aid, blocking shipments of medicine and first aid supplies. Government data shows infant mortality rose by 30 percent in 2016 and malaria infections shot up 76 percent, Reuters reports.

"So most countries when they're hit by a crisis, they're taking aid from other countries, from NGOs," Associated Press reporter Hannah Dreier told NPR in 2016. "But Venezuela keeps refusing to take donations that other countries are offering and is actually turning back shipments of donations that people have given in places like the U.S., not letting medicine in."

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/01/58246...conomic-crisis


To emphasize: Venezuela is BLOCKING aid and medicine. Intentionally. Let that sink in. So no, this is not like other countries in the hemisphere.

I applaud President Trump for looking to help these people, either by giving them refugee status here or providing aid to other countries like Peru that have taken in a huge number of refugees.

I cannot believe any of you would criticize this decision. You complain that Trump doesn't have "feelings" and that he's racist...now he wants to help and that isn't good enough for you either.

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Old 04-13-2018, 12:13 PM
 
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I notice the party of compassion...the same party that complains that Republicans are unfeeling racists who hate poor people...are making jokes. Do any of you actually care, or do you just want to make cracks because you hate the President?
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Old 04-13-2018, 12:16 PM
 
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I thought Trump's position is that Mexicans and Central Americans are "bad hombres" and we need a wall to keep them out, right? So why are Venezuelans "good"? Why are Syrian refugees "bad" but Venezuelans "good"? And I thought Trump's base hated those "Venezuelan socialists."

Why uproot and deport illegal immigrants from Mexico and Honduras -- many of whom have jobs and families here -- but then allow Venezuelans in?
I am not a Trump supporter but his bad hombres label referred to people illegally entering the country because they are often people who have been deported numerous times. He was not referring to all Mexican and Central American immigrants.

The GOP has a lot of support from Cubans who fled that communist country. Perhaps Trump thinks that these Venezuelan ex-pats might be future republicans.
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Old 04-13-2018, 12:16 PM
 
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I notice the party of compassion...the same party that complains that Republicans are unfeeling racists who hate poor people...are making jokes. Do any of you actually care, or do you just want to make cracks because you hate the President?
So people can't joke and have fun? You know, just like the way Mr. President "jokes".
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Old 04-13-2018, 12:18 PM
 
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The GOP has a lot of support from Cubans who fled that communist country. Perhaps Trump thinks that these Venezuelan ex-pats might be future republicans.
Trump will let in the wealthy and beautiful Venezuelans... the rest, he won't bat a blind eye at, not any different than any other person though
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Old 04-13-2018, 12:20 PM
 
Location: North America
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...and I thought people would pick up on me that I called Trump a "simple guy"... LOL
I did, it just took me a while to stop laughing.
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Old 04-13-2018, 12:23 PM
 
Location: In a George Strait Song
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So people can't joke and have fun? You know, just like the way Mr. President "jokes".
People are literally dying from starvation and a lack of basic medications and you think jokes are appropriate?

Even Trump hasn't done something like that.

Alrighty then, that says a lot about you.
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