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Old 04-13-2018, 12:26 PM
 
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People are literally dying from starvation and a lack of basic medications and you think jokes are appropriate?

Even Trump hasn't done something like that.

Alrighty then, that says a lot about you.
Lol. your joke is better than his. Thanks for the laugh

By the way, where is Mr. President when people are dying in Syria, Myanmar, Kashmir, Sudan etc?
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Old 04-13-2018, 12:30 PM
 
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Lol. your joke is better than his. Thanks for the laugh

By the way, where is Mr. President when people are dying in Syria, Myanmar, Kashmir, Sudan etc?
Show me where he has joked about people dying from chaos like this.

And don't deflect to other countries. That has nothing to do with anything.
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Old 04-13-2018, 12:32 PM
 
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Show me where he has joked about people dying from chaos like this.

And don't deflect to other countries. That has nothing to do with anything.
It absolutely does, why are some refugees preferred over others?
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Old 04-13-2018, 12:42 PM
 
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It absolutely does, why are some refugees preferred over others?
Why not? We can't fix all the problems in the world simultaneously.

Furthermore, The Trump administration just extended refugee status by 18 months to 7,000 Syrian refugees in the U.S.

Then there is the fact that Venezuela is in a worse crisis than some of the other countries you mentioned. In Kashmir, for example, the infant mortality rate has declined 15% in the last 5 years. In Venezuela, it has risen 30% in ONE YEAR.

Why are you against helping Venezuela?

ETA: Venezuela also affects the US regionally in a way that problems in the ME and Africa do not. There are countries closer to those problems who could be doing more to help.

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Old 04-13-2018, 12:46 PM
 
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Even before Chavez was elected, the rich had already packed their bags heading for Miami, one of the biggest money-laundering cities in North America.
So you're saying they need to get their paperwork updated from visitor visas to a green-card - citizenship path?
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Old 04-13-2018, 12:47 PM
 
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Show me where he has joked about people dying from chaos like this.

And don't deflect to other countries. That has nothing to do with anything.
I guess you forgot about him making spastic parody of a disabled person, in a public speech no less.

Nothing is beneath Trump...nothing.
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Old 04-13-2018, 12:50 PM
 
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I guess you forgot about him making spastic parody of a disabled person, in a public speech no less.

Nothing is beneath Trump...nothing.
That has been debunked about 1000 times.

Regardless, apart from the humanitarian aspect, the crisis in Venezuela affects the stability of the region and needs to be addressed.

Would you prefer for him to do nothing? Would that make you happy? Then you could more easily continue with the standard "he's mean" complaint.
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Old 04-13-2018, 12:51 PM
 
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Why not? We can't fix all the problems in the world simultaneously.

Furthermore, The Trump administration just extended refugee status by 18 months to 7,000 Syrian refugees in the U.S.

Then there is the fact that Venezuela is in a worse crisis than some of the other countries you mentioned. In Kashmir, for example, the infant mortality rate has declined 15% in the last 5 years. In Venezuela, it has risen 30% in ONE YEAR.

Why are you against helping Venezuela?
Okay ... let's do Haiti. Last time I checked it was about 1000 miles closer to the US than Venezuela. Oh, and Trump cut foreign aid in his 2019 budget.
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Old 04-13-2018, 12:54 PM
 
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If the people truly are refugees then why not take some in?
Trump is not heartless like the Left makes him out to be. He likes immigrants, remember he is married to one, but those immigrants have to follow the rules and come to America legally.

Trump is a simple guy in his values. He certainly tells it like it is and often without a filter.

Breaking our immigration laws are bad.
Legal immigration is good.

It is pretty simple. I don't know why the Left has such a hard time understanding this.
Trump is a sociopath. He doesn't give a turd about Venezuelans or anyone else. There's definitely some tit for tat stuff going on and that would be the only reason such a deal would be under consideration. His administration wants something in return, most likely something that will benefit Trump personally.


Honestly, your post sounds like satire considering what we've seen from this man the last 2 years and what we know of his history before that. It's hard to believe anyone can seriously think he is a decent, moral human being and say so with a straight face.
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Old 04-13-2018, 12:58 PM
 
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This is inaccurate.

Here are some various examples...

Inflation: inflation in Venezuela in the first quarter of 2018 was 454%. Although other countries in CA and SA are experiencing inflation (notably Brazil at 9%), no other country is experiencing it at this extreme rate.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile..../idUSKBN1HI2MO

Poverty: Almost 90% of the country lives in poverty, up from 48% in 2014. People have lost an average of 24 pounds in the last year. There isn't enough food.
The country is in free fall. From the NY Post: "The study showed that 87 percent of people in Venezuela, one of Latin America’s wealthiest nations back in the 1970s, were living in poverty last year, rising from 82 percent in 2016 and 48 percent in 2014."

Even Guatemala's poverty rate is at 50%.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost....shortages/amp/


Healthcare: the health care system is collapsing. Among the problems are a lack of medicines, malnutrition, a lack of vaccines, and a lack of hospital beds. There is a 90% shortage of medicine and other supplies.
People are dying due to a lack of antibiotics. Women are giving birth in the street. Diphtheria is making a comeback, at rates even worse than Haiti, when it had been declared eliminated in 1993. Malaria has shot up 76%.

"The PanAmerican Health Organization reported on Thursday that 447 cases of diphtheria, plus seven fatalities due to the disease, had been recorded between the middle of 2016 and the middle of this year.

The numbers is the highest in the region, far above Haiti, which reported 72 cases this year. The disease was declared eliminated in the oil-producing country in 1992.

The numbers on malaria are even worse, Rafael Gottenger, president of the Venezuelan American Medical Association, said from Miami.

“Malaria cases are increasing at an alarming rate. The estimate is that this year we will have 800,000, and one million next year,” said Gottenger, whose organization has long been warning that Venezuela is heading into a humanitarian crisis."

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.miami...182770351.html

Another more recent article on the health problems:

Venezuela's President Nicolas Maduro has refused to accept humanitarian aid, blocking shipments of medicine and first aid supplies. Government data shows infant mortality rose by 30 percent in 2016 and malaria infections shot up 76 percent, Reuters reports.

"So most countries when they're hit by a crisis, they're taking aid from other countries, from NGOs," Associated Press reporter Hannah Dreier told NPR in 2016. "But Venezuela keeps refusing to take donations that other countries are offering and is actually turning back shipments of donations that people have given in places like the U.S., not letting medicine in."

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/01/58246...conomic-crisis

To emphasize: Venezuela is BLOCKING aid and medicine. Intentionally. Let that sink in. So no, this is not like other countries in the hemisphere.

I applaud President Trump for looking to help these people, either by giving them refugee status here or providing aid to other countries like Peru that have taken in a huge number of refugees.

I cannot believe any of you would criticize this decision. You complain that Trump doesn't have "feelings" and that he's racist...now he wants to help and that isn't good enough for you either.
How is this any different than Syria? You "applaud" Trump for this, but are fine with letting thousands and thousands of potential refugees be slaughtered there. Is this compassion to a Trump supporter? And again, this is not an altruistic move.
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