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Old 04-22-2018, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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Could you please expound upon your point here. I'm somewhat confused as to why I'm being accused of being both "vulgar"and "petty".
When asked, I usually describe myself as a "libertarian conservative: (both words uncapitialized, please), and might emphasize one of the two terms, depending upon the audience at the time. I might also use the term "classical liberal" -- in the context promoted at the time of the Enlightenment, since economic concerns were not a prominent feature of the philosophy of that time.

But the central tenet shared by most of those whom I met and admired during my formative years was that liberty in any form -- economic, expressionary, or personal -- is unitary, indivisible. Tamper with one aspect, and the others will likely be compromised.

But that was in the days before I began grappling with the concerns of finding a role to play in earning a living, and seeking a life partner; the latter never quite panned out, but I still have people I belong to, and vslues which transcend my own existence and perspective.

And another key component of the libertarian value system is the rejection of force and coercion, save as a last resort and as little as possible. The argument that there is some nebulous "greater common good" carries very little weight with me -- precisely because it is so often used to trample the basic rights of the dissenter.

In short, the principal difference between a libertarian and a "progressive" is that the former can achieve his/her goals almost entirely by an approach based upon "live and let live"; groups like Occupy Wall Street, ANTIFA and the rest of the "Social Justice" advocacy cannot without seeking influence and power over the legitimized monopoly on coercion granted to the modern nation-state.

I disagree with almost everything you say, but will defend, to my death, your right to say it. (Voltaire -- expressed in various forms and on many occasions)

Which is a pretty fair distance removed from "The end justifies the means,"
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Old 04-22-2018, 06:42 PM
 
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You knew this was coming Pat makes a valid point and naturally, it is attacked as being racist
Always attacked by people who want what we have.

There’s a reason we have what we have.
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Old 04-22-2018, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Immigrants in Europe are under the complete authority of Europeans.

If Europeans truly wish to assimilate immigrants into their countries, they should make certain that it is done in a very organized and humanitarian manner.

Each participating European country representing immgrant assimilation, should immediately set up large temporary tents, latrines, and water supply lines.
Immigrants should be thoroughly interviewed and properly vetted. Immediate language tutorials should begin immediately.

Immigrants will be accepted into each of their respective country of occupation. They will be trained wrt to building more permanent housing while being educated in such areas as agriculture, aquaculture, mechanical, electrical, and civil engineering.

Meanwhile, all other European efforts should be expended upon stabilizing immigrants countries of origin, so that most of them can be repatriated.


Your ignorance is showing. You really need to read about how well the *refugees* from the ME have assimilated.


Here - I'll help you by linking to just ONE issue.
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Old 04-22-2018, 07:51 PM
 
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Always attacked by people who want what we have.

There’s a reason we have what we have.
Of course, there's a reason....

Mass murder and theft!
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Old 04-22-2018, 07:56 PM
 
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Your ignorance is showing. You really need to read about how well the *refugees* from the ME have assimilated.


Here - I'll help you by linking to just ONE issue.
No refugee or immigrant protests respect and humanitarian treatment.

Thanks for donating already known information!

Talk about showing ignorance...
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Old 04-22-2018, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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No refugee or immigrant protests respect and humanitarian treatment.

Thanks for donating already known information!

Talk about showing ignorance...

So it's the host countries and their citizens who are to blame for all the bad behavior of the *refugees*.


This kind of naivety is only adorable in five year olds.
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Old 04-22-2018, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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It was founded on Christian "principles" and that's not b.s.
No, you're quite WRONG. It wasn't since nearly all of the Ten Commandments were NOT coded into American law.
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Old 04-22-2018, 09:14 PM
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Location: USA
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It was founded on Christian "principles" and that's not b.s.
Lord knows, the word God is written all over our money. According to Dems I Guess the USA was founded by Islamists
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Old 04-22-2018, 09:17 PM
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Location: USA
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So it's the host countries and their citizens who are to blame for all the bad behavior of the *refugees*.


This kind of naivety is only adorable in five year olds.
You should be ashamed of yourself for not opening your doors to all refugees of the world
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Old 04-22-2018, 09:21 PM
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Location: USA
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Of course, there's a reason....

Mass murder and theft!
What would you expect from Democrats. Biggest thieves and Rapist there are. How else could Bill/Hillary and their Biggest Donor in Hollywood, Weinstein, be left to rape women for 40 years unabated.
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