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Old 05-03-2018, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Says the man who believes in the social contract.

Without the leviathan your life would be nasty brutish and short.
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Old 05-03-2018, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Doesn't that include being able to sell that labour?
Winterfall's system says you can't sell your labor. And I'm guessing it would be enforced at gunpoint.
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Old 05-03-2018, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Without the leviathan your life would be nasty brutish and short.
As opposed to my life growing up when the State was actively trying to exterminate me.

Decisions, decisions...

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Old 05-03-2018, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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So if someone supports Marxism they're a troll.

It's capitalism or nothing.
Most people in this politics forum are far right reactionaries.
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Old 05-03-2018, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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That's slavery.
When you consent to something you aren't a slave.

Now most folks around these parts believe consent comes from standing in a certain geographic area or sliding out of a vagina so I can see why this hard for them to understand but anything you consent to doing is automatically not slavery.
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Old 05-03-2018, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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There is no central government power. The power that there is is decided by the workers.
Workers

See that "s" on the end? That means power is centralized by committee. It can be a committee of 2 or a committee of 7 billion but it's still a committee.
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Old 05-03-2018, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I assume if you live in the mountain you won't be in between any major road ways connecting the two factories.

Also, like I said, if there is not an emergency and they can assume someone lives there then they should wait until the MM comes back or else go look for another source.
Doesn't matter. Your system requires that a man living alone away from the syndicate use his labor to stave off said entity if they deem it necessary to utilize his tools in his absence.

And then you want to require him to know where the next factory town over is located too. Hell, you require him to know the existence of the syndicate and their political functioning features.

Slavery of the body and mind...just like a lot of Marxist ideologues propagated as they ravaged the world last century.
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Old 05-03-2018, 11:49 AM
 
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So if someone supports Marxism they're a troll.

It's capitalism or nothing.

You've said a mouthful, no doubt without intending to.


Yes, it's either capitalism or you live a life with pretty much nothing, because, capitalism, and only capitalism is able to create wealth in the form of goods & service, and the $$$ to purchase same. So yes, it's either capitalism or poverty, i.e. "nothing".


Your post however, accomplished another feat in confirming that even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
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Old 05-03-2018, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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That might be easy to say, but I would like a better explanation for that answer -why is being able to sell your own labour, without coercion, slavery?

Is me deciding to work at the local KFC, the same in essence, as a slave working in a salt mine?
You can agree with someone else to act their slave and work for them but you can never have that legally written down in contract.

In a union it would be like buying a vote.
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Old 05-03-2018, 11:54 AM
 
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Workers

See that "s" on the end? That means power is centralized by committee. It can be a committee of 2 or a committee of 7 billion but it's still a committee.
Yah, that'll work. A bunch of visionless labor making command-level decisions. Right..., sure, no problem!!!!


You've obviously never run a business or other organization, or you would know that it takes special people to see broadly and deeply, to be able to read the tea leaves, develop a long term plan and short term tactics to accomplish the organization's mission. Labor, OTOH, just has to do what they are told.
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