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Old 05-03-2018, 04:48 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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That is because reality slapped them in the face.

Men have never come together except by force. This country cannot exist except by force. Nothing would exist without force.
That's not true at all. Even in the Stone Age, men formed tribes to work together, and that wasn't by force. They learned cooperation was a better way to survive.
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Old 05-03-2018, 05:28 AM
 
Location: North America
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Happy birthday Karl Marx, You are the Greatest Human being to ever live


Nah, he wasn't even the greatest Marx, can't hold a candle to Groucho!
Groucho had the gift.
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Old 05-03-2018, 06:20 AM
 
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In Catalonia the syndicalists established a Marxist society offering true freedom to its people and control over their own labor uniting millions voluntarily.
In the United States social security, Medicare, medicade, and all the public institutions that we have and the benefits (weekend work week) that come with them are of Marxian thought.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_Spain
So you have zero examples of anywhere in the world where Marxism has succeeded. And when it has been tried and failed you have excuses for it.

Reality is that capitalism has been proven to be the best way to go. Not perfect but when people are given the opportunity to succeed they will.

There will always be greedy people wanting more of their share for themselves and try to control the system to their advantage. No matter what is in place. Difference being capitalism creates a bigger pie, Marxism gives everyone crumbs.
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:28 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Individualism.

Capitalism is the natural default setting of a human being. Poverty is our natural state. We can either embrace the individual's right to live peacefully so he can pursue his interests via capitalism or we can create winners and losers at gunpoint via collectivism.

Is the individual a Marxist
Or is the individual a Capitalist?

What theory is uplifting in individual economic independence?
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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That's not true at all. Even in the Stone Age, men formed tribes to work together, and that wasn't by force. They learned cooperation was a better way to survive.
Yes the tribe cooperated with its members and killed other tribes and took the resources. Violence is ingrained in humanity any ideology that ignores that isn't based in reality.
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:31 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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I notice the OP is from one of the wealthiest areas of the U.S. (Potomac, MD.). Figures.
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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I notice the OP is from one of the wealthiest areas of the U.S. (Potomac, MD.). Figures.
So wealthy people aren't allowed to advocate for more fair and egalitarian policies? They all need to be republicans?
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Texas
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So wealthy people aren't allowed to advocate for more fair and egalitarian policies? They all need to be republicans?
Equal opportunity not forced equal outcome that the authoritarian left pushes.
Potomac is right near the swamp and many people who live there work for government so of course they don't care that Peter gets robbed to pay them.
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:41 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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So wealthy people aren't allowed to advocate for more fair and egalitarian policies? They all need to be republicans?
I don't accept the notion that Statism and unlimited government power are "fair and egalitarian". Unless everyone being in the same miserable boat is "fair and egalitarian". And can you name one Marxist run country that had a free press? How about Cuba? By the way, I'm not a republican.
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Equal opportunity not forced equal outcome that the authoritarian left pushes.
Potomac is right near the swamp and many people who live there work for government so of course they don't care that Peter gets robbed to pay them.
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