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Old 05-03-2018, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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So if someone comes along and robs your house (with the intent to give it back later, of course), your response, naturally, would be to thank them for reminding you of what's important? This could somehow be a positive event?

Surely you wouldn't, I mean, after all, someone committed a crime against you. But if someone were allowed to steal from you legally, I'll bet that wouldn't soften the blow. I'll bet that you would realize that you were twice as violated, not only by the person who robbed you but also by the entity that was supposed to maintain the social contract and ensure justice in the society that you live in and contribute to.

For the record, I do wish that I could admire what I think you truly believe is a sense of universal justice and equality, but I think that you and others who support your arguments are extremely dangerous. I don't say that because I don't understand the picture that you are painting, I say that because you, history be damned, only see one idyllic and frankly unreachable outcome of an insidiously dangerous political philosophy.
There is no theft in Marxism.
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Old 05-03-2018, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Speculative investing isn't capitalism.


However, Beavers are concerned about futures, in that they lay in a supply of foodstuffs for the winter, an build a dam to create a lake to assist in their "venture".


I score you post: Epic Fail!!!
Vulture capitalism is the natural evolution of any system that allows a person to own the labor of another and to 'control' the land we live on.
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Old 05-03-2018, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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There is no theft in Marxism.
If you leave a campfire burning when you go out to fish so the syndicate doesn't "borrow" your stuff.

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Old 05-03-2018, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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How many beavers sit around and speculate on lumber futures?
Says the man who believes in the social contract.

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Old 05-03-2018, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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They were even poorer before when they had excepted capitalism. Today the government still tried to oppress them and yet they have freedom of self determination, produce food for everyone, and give the community a sense of purpose.

I think you're ignoring all the militaristic acts done against them that have forced the Zapatistas to take up arms and defend themselves. Isn't that what you hate, the government terrorizing people for living the way they want?

Indigenous people in the area finally have rights and are treated with respect for the first time.
They also form their own governments in the remote poverty-stricken areas they control.

In the words of Pete Townsend: Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
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Old 05-03-2018, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Capitalism forces the surplus not to go into the hands of the worker but the person who owns the labor.

In a free society people have a right to the ownership of their own labor.
Doesn't that include being able to sell that labour?
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Old 05-03-2018, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Doesn't that include being able to sell that labour?
That's slavery.
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Old 05-03-2018, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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If you leave a campfire burning when you go out to fish so the syndicate doesn't "borrow" your stuff.

I assume if you live in the mountain you won't be in between any major road ways connecting the two factories.

Also, like I said, if there is not an emergency and they can assume someone lives there then they should wait until the MM comes back or else go look for another source.
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Old 05-03-2018, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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They also form their own governments in the remote poverty-stricken areas they control.

In the words of Pete Townsend: Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
There is no central government power. The power that there is is decided by the workers.
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Old 05-03-2018, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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That's slavery.
That might be easy to say, but I would like a better explanation for that answer -why is being able to sell your own labour, without coercion, slavery?

Is me deciding to work at the local KFC, the same in essence, as a slave working in a salt mine?
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