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And have you noticed that Marxists--er, Marxians (the new preferred kinder gentler term)--never bring up the subject of human rights? Press freedom, dissent, protest, artistic expression, etc,. Now, why is that? Maybe one of you Marxists--er, Marxians-- could explain this.
Freedoms are intrinsic to human rights. That's why I'm an anarchist.
Workers have the right to produce what they want and how they want to without having to sell their labor to someone else.
No but it tends to be the idle rich that espouses this sort of stuff. They tend to be clueless as to why people are in the economic situation they are in since they are so isolated from the poverty in America. They assume its simply an unfair economic system and a fairer one would cure all of this.
Its the working and middle class that will pay the brunt of all of these lofty ideals when their tax dollars will go do pay for people one peg economically below them who often are not motivated to do better all sorts of reasons that have nothing to do with capitalism.
Firstly I have lived around poverty.
Secondly I have never argued for 'bigger government'. I don't want the government controlling people's lives.
I also don't want the private industry to monopolies control over the economy and force anyone to chose between slavery and starvation.
Workers have a right to their own output and a right to equal management of the place they work at.
So you have zero examples of anywhere in the world where Marxism has succeeded. And when it has been tried and failed you have excuses for it.
Reality is that capitalism has been proven to be the best way to go. Not perfect but when people are given the opportunity to succeed they will.
There will always be greedy people wanting more of their share for themselves and try to control the system to their advantage. No matter what is in place. Difference being capitalism creates a bigger pie, Marxism gives everyone crumbs.
I do, I have given them, and it exists everywhere.
And in states they have worked. It has helped thousands in Chiapas and formed among hundreds of thousands in Catalonia. All across south America today there are Marxist communes trying (despite limited resources and hostile governments) to give the downtrodden freedom of work and freedom to receive ones own output.
Just because the global system today doesn't like Marxism and force Capitalism (via the IMF, World Bank, etc.) doesn't mean it doesn't work.
In feudal Europe everyone would tell feudalism is the only system that works and laugh at your idea of capitalism.
Don't worry, the Zapatistas don't see the media coverage. They're still so dirt poor after rejecting capitalist ideals 24 years ago they can barely afford to eat never mind have a TV set.
Funny how that works out, huh?
They were even poorer before when they had excepted capitalism. Today the government still tried to oppress them and yet they have freedom of self determination, produce food for everyone, and give the community a sense of purpose.
I think you're ignoring all the militaristic acts done against them that have forced the Zapatistas to take up arms and defend themselves. Isn't that what you hate, the government terrorizing people for living the way they want?
Indigenous people in the area finally have rights and are treated with respect for the first time.
Now on the subject of sentimentality (say he personally liked said widget because he has been using it for years) we come to the idea that attachment is the root to all pain so having a distant relationship with the tools (not utilities, but tools) you use can be a positive effect of not having it for too long.
So if someone comes along and robs your house (with the intent to give it back later, of course), your response, naturally, would be to thank them for reminding you of what's important? This could somehow be a positive event?
Surely you wouldn't, I mean, after all, someone committed a crime against you. But if someone were allowed to steal from you legally, I'll bet that wouldn't soften the blow. I'll bet that you would realize that you were twice as violated, not only by the person who robbed you but also by the entity that was supposed to maintain the social contract and ensure justice in the society that you live in and contribute to.
For the record, I do wish that I could admire what I think you truly believe is a sense of universal justice and equality, but I think that you and others who support your arguments are extremely dangerous. I don't say that because I don't understand the picture that you are painting, I say that because you, history be damned, only see one idyllic and frankly unreachable outcome of an insidiously dangerous political philosophy.
He was right too. His theories on big government control leading to oppressive private industry were correct (as seen in Nazi Germany).
His prediction of globalization was correct. He gave the working class and leftist a path forward. Rather than bowing his head to the elite he offered a power up structure where no one had the right to another persons labor.
He inspired real socialists in Chiapas to give rights and power back to the indigenous population. He inspired MLK to fight for social and economic justice for all of the downtrodden in America.
His work brought forth workers cooperatives like Mondragon, Kantega, and dozens in the Midwest to life letting people work for themselves for the first time in history.
Some accuse Marxism of death but all those deaths would need to be multipled 10 fold to even begin to compare to what Capitalism has brought.
The USSR and the rest would have Made Marx roll over in his grave, he didn’t look towards authoritarianism but towards the Paris communes (which were not as reported in the American press). Feminism, racial equality, they all started with Marx.
In Catalonia the syndicalists established a Marxist society offering true freedom to its people and control over their own labor uniting millions voluntarily.
In the United States social security, Medicare, medicade, and all the public institutions that we have and the benefits (weekend work week) that come with them are of Marxian thought. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_Spain
Building more than prosperity it built harmony. Taking from ancient cultures like Taoism to Zoroastrianism to Buddhism, Marx brought the power back into the hands of the individual and formed a world where masters are not needed to control the labor.
For Freedom, for egalitarianism, and for securing our Earth I salute you good sir. In this country there are still Many who want Capitalism and state authority to proceed all else, but these people are in the minority more and more.
Here, things are changing: This Rust-Belt Town.
Towns betrayed by both the state and the private industry are returning power into their own hands. RISE UP people, there is a new dawn for this country and for the world over. Money is not earned from owning stocks or businesses, it is earned from production, and the helping of one man to another.
To see the morning Look above the horizon See the oceans crashing far and wide And never doubt that of what you see is but a reflection of the past For the future, no matter how far, is on the horizon
In the 20s the Middle East gave rise to socialist leaders from Nasser, Ataturk, Reza Shah, Faisal of Iraq, etc. all who brought reform. None on the backs of free market fantasies brought forth by Austrian economist with the only care for power at the base of their thought.
But together we are united. All of us in our communities, in our families, or here in CD. If we have the will for freedom as Marx called for then we can do the impossible.
Both in peace and war people have struggled and yet one man has inspired the most downtrodden. May his 200th usher in an era of peace and harmony from east to west. ��
How many beavers sit around and speculate on lumber futures?
Speculative investing isn't capitalism.
However, Beavers are concerned about futures, in that they lay in a supply of foodstuffs for the winter, an build a dam to create a lake to assist in their "venture".
Folks, don't get worked up. This is just trolling.
So if someone supports Marxism they're a troll.
It's capitalism or nothing.
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