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Sweetie, you can say it all you want. You are spouting a philosophy that you believe, not an absolute. You can redefine everything you want, it's still a philosophy. You "know" a human is born free, etc. No, you believe it.
EXCEPT: Just an FYI. Gravity happens. What is a "theory" is the attempt at describing & qualifying it. That is also "theory" in the scientific sense. In use this way, "theory" is actually an accepted concept that is considered true and can be proven by repeatable experiments and observation. We can experiment in ways to show HOW & WHY it works, or under what conditions, but gravity IS. I went to public school too.
Natural law happens. You should Google Merriam-Webster. Put those tax dollars of mine to work.
If a human isn't born free from contractual obligations could you expand on that? The old consent-from-flying-out-of-a-vagina routine again?
I certainly hope not. That one is a big fat letdown. Get creative.
Natural law happens. You should Google Merriam-Webster. Put those tax dollars of mine to work.
If a human isn't born free from contractual obligations could you expand on that? The old consent-from-flying-out-of-a-vagina routine again?
I certainly hope not. That one is a big fat letdown. Get creative.
You realize that you can google just about anything & find a definition, or a bit of expounding. Just because it's on a page does not mean it's the absolute (as in singular, only, rightest-of-the-right) truth.
Look, I choose to live the solid, upstanding life that I do. I don't rail against much, but I can rail hard. I once thought that MY absolute truth was no marriage, no kids. Then I got married and had two children. My truth, my philosophy changed. Now, we can say my kids didn't ask to be born. I'm sure one of them will say it some day. But they were, and we are bringing them up as solid, upstanding people, who are citizens of the USofA, residents of where we live. I bring them up with an obligation to family--they didn't ask for it, but they are SO going to unload the dishwasher and walk the dog.
So.
My son got his driver's license--he had to learn a lot of things to get that license. He has to abide by a lot of rules/laws to keep it. He has a job now. He has to fork over some of those dollars for social security. He never consented to any of this! Sure, he's a minor, but that's an arbitrary construct, right? I don't disagree. But even arbitrary constructs can be beneficial.
Why don't I speed? Because doing so puts me & others at risk. If I drive 100mph on the highway, especially where I live, it would be not good. Hidden drives, lots of deer, icy patches most of the year, slow campers coming rest of the year, and so much more. It's not a guarantee that I'll have an accident if I drive 100mph here. But it's enough of a risk that NOBODY should be driving 100 mph where I live. Now, 80mph on the interstate? Of course! All day long, thank you! But limited access roads are much, much safer than my little 2-lane highway.
In my town, they've recently added 4 new roundabouts (traffic circles). There has been such uproar over them. I live near the highway and can say without hesitation that there are far fewer accidents now. But so many people are CONVINCED they are dangerous. It simply isn't true. So, no. I don't trust others to make decisions that are the best.
But in the end, natural law is also an arbitrary construct. It's a philosophy. It is not absolute. You can read differing views on it. And that's just the way it is.
Why don't I speed? Because doing so puts me & others at risk. If I drive 100mph on the highway, especially where I live, it would be not good. Hidden drives, lots of deer, icy patches most of the year, slo
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You realize that you can google just about anything & find a definition, or a bit of expounding. Just because it's on a page does not mean it's the absolute (as in singular, only, rightest-of-the-right) truth.
Look, I choose to live the solid, upstanding life that I do. I don't rail against much, but I can rail hard. I once thought that MY absolute truth was no marriage, no kids. Then I got married and had two children. My truth, my philosophy changed. Now, we can say my kids didn't ask to be born. I'm sure one of them will say it some day. But they were, and we are bringing them up as solid, upstanding people, who are citizens of the USofA, residents of where we live. I bring them up with an obligation to family--they didn't ask for it, but they are SO going to unload the dishwasher and walk the dog.
So.
My son got his driver's license--he had to learn a lot of things to get that license. He has to abide by a lot of rules/laws to keep it. He has a job now. He has to fork over some of those dollars for social security. He never consented to any of this! Sure, he's a minor, but that's an arbitrary construct, right? I don't disagree. But even arbitrary constructs can be beneficial.
w campers coming rest of the year, and so much more. It's not a guarantee that I'll have an accident if I drive 100mph here. But it's enough of a risk that NOBODY should be driving 100 mph where I live. Now, 80mph on the interstate? Of course! All day long, thank you! But limited access roads are much, much safer than my little 2-lane highway.
In my town, they've recently added 4 new roundabouts (traffic circles). There has been such uproar over them. I live near the highway and can say without hesitation that there are far fewer accidents now. But so many people are CONVINCED they are dangerous. It simply isn't true. So, no. I don't trust others to make decisions that are the best.
But in the end, natural law is also an arbitrary construct. It's a philosophy. It is not absolute. You can read differing views on it. And that's just the way it is.
You've answered none of my questions and completely avoided the scenarios presented.
Why don't I speed? Because doing so puts me & others at risk. If I drive 100mph on the highway, especially where I live, it would be not good. Hidden drives, lots of deer, icy patches most of the year, slo
You've answered none of my questions and completely avoided the scenarios presented.
No human agrees to a social contract at birth. No human has the right to initiate force on another human being. No human being has a legitimate authority to rule over another one without consent.
You can believe it or not but it's true. I don't know what to tell you. You have every right to believe what you want but the problem between the two of us is your philosophy interferes in my life. I have no philosophy unless you consider me accepting the truth that I didn't consent to anything at birth and that you don't have the right to rule over me.
"Obama is a Marxist/communist/socialist." He was nothing of the sort; how many industries did he seize to allow the State to take over production? How many property owners had their land seized to be turned into communal, State-owned farms? How many millions of Americans starved to death through communist-caused famines? How many food shortages and bread lines were there?
"Trump is a Nazi." He is nothing of the sort. How many industries has he nationalized? How many labor unions has he consolidated into one State-owned union? How many billions has he allocated for a comprehensive social welfare system to create a "socially just state," by providing rent supplements,
interest-free loans for married couples, along with mandatory healthcare insurance (aka Obamacare)?
"Obama gutted the military." What utter tripe. Under Obama, military spending was the highest in American history, even more than under Bush. He also doubled U.S. arms sales than Bush, to $278 billion. Don't give me this BS about how he destroyed the "national defense."
"Trump is Putin's puppet." Again, what utter tripe. If Trump was bought and paid for by the Russians, he wouldn't have illegally bombed Syria, wouldn't be threatening China, wouldn't be threatening Iran, and wouldn't be sending U.S. destroyers into the Black Sea to try and intimidate them.
There are many, many more examples of this. Just go to any online political forum/town hall or watch/read corporate media.
The average American IQ is 98, and falling; it's easy to the the results.
I couldn't agree more with this.
Pretty much every stupid person I know is either crazy conservative or liberal, and just about every really intelligent person I know is slightly left or right of the center despite claiming to be liberal or conservative.
It could be different in other circles, but I find that the most intelligent people I know are typically socially liberal and fiscally conservative (shrugs shoulders).
No human agrees to a social contract at birth. No human has the right to initiate force on another human being. No human being has a legitimate authority to rule over another one without consent.
You can believe it or not but it's true. I don't know what to tell you. You have every right to believe what you want but the problem between the two of us is your philosophy interferes in my life. I have no philosophy unless you consider me accepting the truth that I didn't consent to anything at birth and that you don't have the right to rule over me.
Hey, you're the one that wanted my answer. I don't give a flying fig what you think, really. You insistence changes nothing. You believe in a philosophy. I don't agree with you. Yet the world keeps turning.
Hey, you're the one that wanted my answer. I don't give a flying fig what you think, really. You insistence changes nothing. You believe in a philosophy. I don't agree with you. Yet the world keeps turning.
You didn't give me an answer to any of my questions.
1. Do you believe that a human being consents to anything at birth?
2. Do you believe that a human being has legitimate authority to rule over another without his/her consent?
3. Do you believe that if it's wrong for you to do something (rape, kill, steal) that others can't do it either?
You didn't give me an answer to any of my questions.
1. Do you believe that a human being consents to anything at birth?
2. Do you believe that a human being has legitimate authority to rule over another without his/her consent?
3. Do you believe that if it's wrong for you to do something (rape, kill, steal) that others can't do it either?
1. Disingenuous question. Of course not. But I've elected to raise my children where I am, so lucky them! They are a part of a larger system.
2. Actually, yes.
3. I cannot make an absolute statement. I do believe rape, murder, stealing are wrong. But there are other things that my personal moral code won't allow that I think others have the right to do. Abortion is against my personal moral belief system, but I will fight to preserve a woman's right to choise, and I don't think less of any woman who has had an abortion. Things are more nuanced than any straight yes or no. I'm cool with that.
most of the discussions on CD are pretty pointless given the fact that they are started by one side or the other and then a few die-hard opponents try to convince other die-hard opponents theirs is the superior mindset. Circular discussions that achieve nothing.
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