Political hyperbole is a reflection of low intelligence...

[No_Recess]

Originally Posted by leebeemi

1. Disingenuous question. Of course not. But I've elected to raise my children where I am, so lucky them! They are a part of a larger system.

If you consent, that's fine. But consenting for others is illogical and immoral. It's not a disingenuous question. The social contract states that an agreement between the ruling State and a newborn is conceived at birth.

Originally Posted by leebeemi

2. Actually, yes.

Well, you believe in slavery. Makes sense. That's the gist of what I got out of this debate.

Originally Posted by leebeemi

3. I cannot make an absolute statement. I do believe rape, murder, stealing are wrong. But there are other things that my personal moral code won't allow that I think others have the right to do. Abortion is against my personal moral belief system, but I will fight to preserve a woman's right to choise, and I don't think less of any woman who has had an abortion. Things are more nuanced than any straight yes or no. I'm cool with that.

The abortion scenario isn't about what you personally would do. It's about your right to decide on your own.

I have the right to loan money to others at interest rates via a consensual agreement but I will never do that because I personally believe that practice to be evil.

No one has the right to tell me I can't have the option to loan money at an interest rate. I do...but I won't. Same thing with your abortion scenario.

[leebeemi]

Originally Posted by No_Recess

If you consent, that's fine. But consenting for others is illogical and immoral. It's not a disingenuous question. The social contract states that an agreement between the ruling State and a newborn is conceived at birth.



Well, you believe in slavery. Makes sense. That's the gist of what I got out of this debate.



The abortion scenario isn't about what you personally would do. It's about your right to decide on your own.

I have the right to loan money to others at interest rates via a consensual agreement but I will never do that because I personally believe that practice to be evil.

No one has the right to tell me I can't have the option to loan money at an interest rate. I do...but I won't. Same thing with your abortion scenario.

You can punch all you want, the same holes exist in your philosophy. Why do you even care what my answers are if you're so sure if yourself? I think you sound like a rambling madman, but who cares?

Wanna know what I think the real truth is? We're both right. We're both wrong. There is no absolute. There are belief systems. There are philosophies. There are traditions & habits. Cultural practices. And they are, every one of them, artificial constructs. Anything you or I think is an idea, a theory, an attempt to make sense of things. There is nothing over & above anything else. And we, individually and in our affiliated groups, find what makes sense.

But don't go saying things like I believe in slavery. I dont, and it's insulting. Hold your beliefs. Argue for your views. But don't stoop to that. It's childish. I'm not some 18yo who doesn't know any better. I've had half a century to form my beliefs. I'm good.