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Funny, I just saw the Republican party pass a massive tax cut where 83% of the benefits went to only 1%. What a ridiculous joke of a giveaway that was, resulting in an increase in the deficit of $1.5 Trillion.
I saw Republicans genuflect and give Trump a military parade for absolutely no reason other than he saw Macron get one and like a toddler, Tiny Fists wanted one too.
I saw Republicans scream they need hundreds of millions of dollars just to start building a wall along the southern border. There seems to be an endless amount of money available when there's something Republicans want, even if it's laughably ridiculous and has no point like a military parade.
Think of how many operations that could be paid for by that stupid stupid stupid parade Trump is going to get.
your blind
the tax cut went to 90% of americans, especially the middleclass and lower
What's wrong with Medicare for all? It already covers the neediest and sickest populations.
Medicaid does that, not Medicare.
My wife and I are >65, both of us are on Medicare and we love it! Best insurance ever and I am all for everyone being able to get it but they got to pay the same as we pay. Sound fair?
Both of us paid Medicare taxes for our working lives and I in over a 50 year period, I'm 70 and still work full time so I am still paying, calculate together we paid in over $150,000 in Medicare taxes.
That's $1,500 per year per person over a 50 year period.
To be fair, I am sure you want to be fair, there should be a "buy in" so if you're 30 you need to pay 35*$1,500=$52,500 just to buy in so you are not getting something free that I had to pay for. Sound fair to you? $105,000 for a 30 year old couple to "opt in" for Medicare? Yeah, a deal.
Next to POP everyone's little bubble... Medicare is NOT free... no it is not.
My wife and I each pay $134 per month for our Medicare Part B Premium which is the cost for us low income people. Low income is defined as <$85,000 in income. If you earn between $85k and $170k your premium will be $187.50 and so on.
Anyway, wife and I each Pay $134 monthly for a total of $268/month.
But Medicare doesn't pay for doctors so we have a Plan G which pays doctors and a Plan D that pays for drugs. Here is what we pay for these every month.
My Silver Script Plan D (Drugs) $27.40
My Plan G Supplement $151.40
Wife's Silver Script Plan D (Drugs) $27.40
Wife's Plan G Supplement $127.70 Total Supplements $333.90
Add to that $333.90 the $268.00 we pay for Medicare Part B and our total monthly Medicare costs is $601.90 every month. And here I bet a lot of you here thought Medicare was free stuff!
Our course we have dental insurance as well because that isn't covered by Medicare.
I have no problem widening the plan but you got to be fair and pay your fair share because, unlike what the snowflakes believe, there is no free lunch.
But it is a good deal, best insurance I have ever had because my total deductible out of pocket for the year is $183 for the year and I am done.. nothing, not even a dime more, out of pocket.
Oh, and if you live in high cost of living area, California or New York for example, you pay more for your supplements. I compared costs of our to San Francisco and a Plan G in California is double what we pay. If we lived in California or New York you could expect to pay $800 to $900 in total premiums for a couple.
Still an good deal... try paying for insurance at age 62 and see what you get.
TLDR but China and India have higher populations than the U.S. India has universal health coverage and China's goal is to have it by 2020.
All those countries are obviously smarter than the U.S. They can manage it, but we can't. I guess that's what all the naysayers in this thread are conceding. The U.S. is just too stupid to get it done.
Yes. B/c that's what happens when you deliver a for-profit solution. Profit.
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Obama ran on doing reform. He won easily.
Obama ran on saving people money. He won.
And he didn't run on SOCIALISM ie the big boogieman the mobilized the base of Tea Partiers that routed Democrats. Stop. Lying.
You can keep lying about what happened all you want. It doesn't change the fact that Republicans routed Democrats with the SPECTER of socialism, and you think Democrats would have been safe actually passing real socialism.
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I am NOT interested in subsidizing the insurance and pharmaceutical industries.
And no one cares what you're interested in doing. Voters cared about affordability and subsidies + expanding Medicaid did that where they were applicable.
TLDR but China and India have higher populations than the U.S. India has universal health coverage and China's goal is to have it by 2020.
and china and india also limit births
how about address the cost issue...…………..hmmmmm
in 1965 they said medicare would only cost 12 billion by 1990, it cost 3 billion to implement it in 1966
in 1990 medicare cost 107 billion
in 2000 medicare was 216 billion
in 2008 medicare was 456 billion
in 2016 medicare was 691 billion
what is even more interesting is what the predicted outlays will be in the future
in 2016 medicare was 691 billion
prediction for 2020....963 billion prediction for 2026....1.383 Trillion
lets now add in Medicaid
Medicaid:
2000.....117 billion
2008.....201 billion
2016.....368 billion
actual Medicaid 2016.....368 billion
prediction for 2020....450 billion prediction for 2026....616 Billion
so the prediction is medicare and Medicaid is expected to be over 2 trillion dollars is less than 8 years
that's just the GOVERNMENT costs of Medicare and Medicaid... and medicare/Medicaid covers less than 1/4 of our population..
our current budget is about 4 trillion, with revenue of about 3 trillion...….
....where do you think the MAGIC MONEY is going to appear from
What's wrong with Medicare for all? It already covers the neediest and sickest populations.
How would it be paid for?
A 25% VAT that EVERYONE pays will cover that.
Here's how we get to that percentage...
Looking at the costs to the Fed Gov for Bernie Sanders' Medicare for All single-payer national health care, a liberal think tank, Urban Institute, has projected that it will cost the Fed Gov an additional $3.2 trillion per year ($32 trillion over 10 years) as costs are shifted away from employers, individuals, cities, and states, and onto the Fed Gov.
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"The increase in federal expenditures would be considerably larger than the increase in national health expenditures because substantial spending borne by states, employers, and households under current law would shift to the federal government under the Sanders [Medicare for All] plan. Federal expenditures in 2017 would increase by $1.9 trillion for acute care for the nonelderly, by $465.9 billion for those otherwise enrolled in Medicare, and by $212.1 billion for long-term services and supports.
In total, federal spending would increase by about $2.5 trillion (257.6 percent) in 2017. Federal expenditures would increase by about $32.0 trillion (232.7 percent) between 2017 and 2026. The increase in federal spending is so large because the federal government would absorb a substantial amount of current spending by state and local governments, employers, and households."
At the current annual US consumer spending level of $11.7 trillion, a 25% national VAT tax will raise $2.93 trillion in tax revenue. Almost enough, currently, to pay for single payer national health care Medicare for All. Adjust the VAT tax rate up or down as needed according to actual health care costs.
So... Are those who want single-payer Medicare for All on board with that? For paying a 25% VAT tax on everything, we can have it. Let's put it to a national referendum. Have the US voters vote on it in a federal election.
Ready to pay that 25% VAT? European countries have that, along with their income taxes.
So your argument is that every single country has it, rich or poor, big or small, multicultural or monocultural, but America; impossible.
Why do you keep carrying the water for the billionaire class who dont care about you? They have gone to war against the working class and they will definitely deny you insurance if you have a pre-existing condition. Whats so great about dying from a preventable disease just so you can serve the ruling class? Is it really worth it?
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