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Old 06-08-2018, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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It has nothing to do with Europe. Every single developed country has it. Israel, who I am sure you love also has it. Japan as well. Korea. Australia. The least is endless.

So you are saying you dont like insurance, but you want to hand over the health care industry to these people? Why? These are the same people who have gone to war against the working class of America. Taxes are lower today than 30 years ago. The reason the billionaire class is winning against the working class is not because taxes are higher today than 30 or 50 years ago. Its because the billionaire class is highly organized and focused on the task at hand; making sure the enemy, the working class, is downtrodden, weak and desperate.
who says I "want to hand over the health care industry to these people"


I said I dont like INSURANCE...neither governmental or private


why do you NEED insurance..??? its a SCAM

why do you need to have someone else pay your bill??


your pushing insurance...which makes these '''billionaires''' (from both private and government) richer


pt barnum once said... a sucker is born every minute..... and your getting suckered by the billionaires who have suckered you into thinking you need insurance or some entity (like the government) paying a bill for you
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:13 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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We could reduce the VAT by rearranging priorities and remember the VAT would be in place of what we currently pay for health coverage that may or may not provide coverage. Put money spent on roads toward health coverage and implement toll roads. Many options on the table.
European countries have a 20%-25% VAT and put their middle class in the top income tax bracket right along with the top 0.1%.

Hint: It works.
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:15 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Worth the peace of mind, IMO.
Most Americans disagree. They want someone else to pay. Therefore, we don't have Medicare for all.
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:20 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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25% VAT is not used to pay for their health care services.
It's part of their tax systems. So is putting the middle class in the top income tax bracket, right along with the top 0.1%.

All of this issue has been researched and published in a professional journal. I provided the link. The fact that you don't "want" to believe it is completely meaningless.
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:20 PM
 
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European countries have a 20%-25% VAT and put their middle class in the top income tax bracket right along with the top 0.1%.

Hint: It works.
It only works because they have a 40-50% tax-to-GDP ratio and strong unions with great labor rights. Latin America also has high VATs and its an utter disaster, just like in Louisiana and Alabama with their high sales taxes.
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:21 PM
 
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It's part of their tax systems. So is putting the middle class in the top income tax bracket, right along with the top 0.1%.

All of this issue has been researched and published in a professional journal. I provided the link. The fact that you don't "want" to believe it is completely meaningless.
Its not how their health care system is funded. Thats why all countries have a national health care system, whether the VAT is low like Taiwan or Australia or high.
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:23 PM
 
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Most Americans disagree. They want someone else to pay. Therefore, we don't have Medicare for all.
Not true. Americans love Medicare which they pay for (but the rich pay far more in Medicare taxes than the middle class naturally, but get no extra care even though they pay milllions in Medicare taxes). Only far right extremists hate Medicare.
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:23 PM
 
Location: The 719
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Pelosi: 'Medicare for All' should be 'evaluated' if Dems win House

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...dems-win-house

What a senile old biddie
Why don't she just get Medicaid for everybody?

Let's go all the way.

Let's turn all the jails and prisons into nursing homes and all the churches into hospitals.

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What a senile old biddie
Nancy Pelosi is haught.
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:24 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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It only works because they have a 40-50% tax-to-GDP ratio and strong unions with great labor rights. Latin America also has high VATs and its an utter disaster, just like in Louisiana and Alabama with their high sales taxes.
That's just pure BS. Their workers have less net adjusted disposable household income than American workers:

OECD Better Life Index - Income

"Household adjusted disposable income includes income from economic activity (wages and salaries; profits of self-employed business owners), property income (dividends, interests and rents), social benefits in cash (retirement pensions, unemployment benefits, family allowances, basic income support, etc.), and social transfers in kind (goods and services such as health care, education and housing, received either free of charge or at reduced prices)"
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:24 PM
 
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who says I "want to hand over the health care industry to these people"


I said I dont like INSURANCE...neither governmental or private


why do you NEED insurance..??? its a SCAM

why do you need to have someone else pay your bill??


your pushing insurance...which makes these '''billionaires''' (from both private and government) richer


pt barnum once said... a sucker is born every minute..... and your getting suckered by the billionaires who have suckered you into thinking you need insurance or some entity (like the government) paying a bill for you
You want a fully privatized system right? But want to ban insurance? Where the sick are denied care if they cant afford it? If you are born disabled you simply suffer and die in a ditch. If you have a pre-existing condition, tough luck, you cant work anymore and have to die. Is this the system you love?
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