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Old 06-09-2018, 11:02 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
Bush created a huge program to spend my money by bailing out failing banks. Did I get a say?
Actually, that was Obama and a Dem Congress. Signed into law by Obama on February 17, 2009.

Additionally, the bank bailout was a mere pittance compared to the $2 trillion spent to bailout Fannie and Freddie.

Here's what I'm talking about, complete with links
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Old 06-09-2018, 11:06 AM
 
Location: London
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What a ridiculous question, I already pay for the wars with my taxes and I pay plenty, how about you? and who says I like us being at war, just maybe if diplomacy was tried more often then we would not have to go to war, Trump is off to a good start, I hope we end up with peace with NK.

The biggest problem with dem politicians is that they are great at spending other peoples money, let them spend their own and see how quickly they change their tune. If all politicians salaries were based on a balanced budget, then things would change very quickly.
Well, the US is in debt thanks to the endless wars.

Since adding to the national debt is out of the question when considering how to budget universal healthcare, the same standard should apply to all the wars.

So how much are YOU really willing to pay for them?
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Old 06-09-2018, 11:08 AM
 
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Took the words right out of mouth.
What about all the people that don’t work? Where does their contribution magically come from ? Btw did you know that Medicare actually costs around $10k/person/yr?

So yah you can redirect 400/month for ONE insured but then you ALSO need to pay another 400/month PLUS you need to pay the Medicare premiums AND the Part B and such things.
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Old 06-09-2018, 11:11 AM
 
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The most striking fact about the cost of the war in Iraq has been the extent to which it has been kept "off the books" of the government's ledgers and hidden from the American people. This was done by design. A fundamental assumption of the Bush administration's approach to the war was that it was only politically sustainable if it was portrayed as near-costless to the American public and to key constituencies in Washington. The dirty little secret of the Iraq war – one that both Bush and the war hawks in the Democratic party knew, but would never admit – was that the American people would only support a war to get rid of Saddam Hussein if they could be assured that they would pay almost nothing for it.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-cost-iraq-war
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Old 06-09-2018, 11:12 AM
 
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What about all the people that don’t work? Where does their contribution magically come from ? Btw did you know that Medicare actually costs around $10k/person/yr?

So yah you can redirect 400/month for ONE insured but then you ALSO need to pay another 400/month PLUS you need to pay the Medicare premiums AND the Part B and such things.
There are very few people that never work. We are told that unemployment is at record lows which means nearly everyone is working. No?
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Old 06-09-2018, 11:12 AM
 
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Well, the US is in debt thanks to the endless wars.
Actually, federal spending on the myriad public assistance programs has driven the national debt much higher than DoD spending.

I've already suggested that the best way to pay for both wars and public assistance programs is via a voluntary contribution program. It lets people put their money where their mouths are. If there's not enough collective interest to adequately fund neither wars nor public assistance programs, then we don't have them.

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Old 06-09-2018, 11:12 AM
 
Location: London
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Single payer system works better and is cheaper.

"Total costs are lower under single-payer systems for several reasons. One is that administrative costs average only about 2 percent of total expenses under a single-payer program like Medicare, less than one-sixth the corresponding percentage for many private insurers. Single-payer systems also spend virtually nothing on competitive advertising, which can account for more than 15 percent of total expenses for private insurers.
The most important source of cost savings under single-payer is that large government entities are able to negotiate much more favorable terms with service providers. In 2012, for example, the average cost of coronary bypass surgery was more than $73,000 in the United States but less than $23,000 in France."

LINK
Sometimes I wonder if Americans like being screwed over.
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Old 06-09-2018, 11:14 AM
 
Location: London
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I've already suggested that the best way to pay for both wars and public assistance programs is via a voluntary contribution program. It Lets people put their money where their mouths are. If there's not enough collective interest to adequately fund neither wars nor public assistance programs, then we don't have them.
I've always been all for that...which means it'll never happen. lol
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Old 06-09-2018, 11:16 AM
 
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The most striking fact about the cost of the war in Iraq has been the extent to which it has been kept "off the books" of the government's ledgers and hidden from the American people. This was done by design. A fundamental assumption of the Bush administration's approach to the war was that it was only politically sustainable if it was portrayed as near-costless to the American public and to key constituencies in Washington. The dirty little secret of the Iraq war – one that both Bush and the war hawks in the Democratic party knew, but would never admit – was that the American people would only support a war to get rid of Saddam Hussein if they could be assured that they would pay almost nothing for it.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-cost-iraq-war
The "cakewalk" was going to cost $60 billion and be paid for with Iraq`s war revenues.
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Old 06-09-2018, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Florida & Cebu, Philippines
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Bush created a huge program to spend my money by bailing out failing banks. Did I get a say?
Neither did I and I did not vote for him or his policies.
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