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Old 06-28-2018, 08:47 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I am in agreement on all but this........ but I think that the background check should include mental illness. But that brings up a plethora of problems / arguments of it's own.
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Maybe so, but basically it would be same requirements + mental evaluation which we have today for concealed carry licence.
Chalk up two more people who feel that American society would be safer and more free if government were given the power to decide who can carry a gun and who can't.
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Old 06-28-2018, 08:49 AM
 
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Our Constitution is law. It's who we are as a people, a nation. It shouldn't matter who is sitting on the supreme court. If you don't support and protect our Bill of Rights, which includes our right to bear arms, you are a domestic enemy to the citizens of the United States. No anti-gun judge should be permitted to sit on our supreme court in the first place. Their job is to uphold our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Want another Civil War? Keep pushing to leave us defenseless against criminals and foreigners with guns.
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Old 06-28-2018, 08:49 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Is someone calling them to review something like that? Why now, and not before? SCOTUS has been conservative majority a long time.
They will. And it hasn't been attempted before as there were an insufficient number of SCOTUS Justices who actually complied with their Oath of Office to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and Domestic."

SCOTUS Justices' job is to uphold the Constitution, not to rewrite it or even "legislate from the bench" in a manner that violates Constitutional Rights. That's why it's so important to seat more Constitutionalist Justices at SCOTUS. Many conservatives, libertarians, and independents have been disappointed that some supposedly conservative Justices have not been Constitutionalists. There is hope that such will change.
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Old 06-28-2018, 08:49 AM
 
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Constitutionalist SCOTUS Justices are already beginning to restore our Constitutional Rights (the recent rulings). Why would adding another Constitutionalist Judge to SCOTUS be a problem? Would you rather we continue to have our Constitutional Rights chipped away or even not have any Constitutional Rights at all?

I don't understand why you or anyone else would think moving away from the semi-fascist country we've devolved into over the past 40-50 years is a bad thing.
Which recent rulings? I can't read your mind. What Constitutional rights are being chipped away and how has this turned the country 'semi-fascist?'
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Old 06-28-2018, 08:54 AM
 
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That's what the Constitutional Amendment process is for. Want to modify a Constitutional Right? Start the Constitutionally prescribed Amendment ratification process.

Examples:

19th Amendment
26th Amendment
I think some amendment to the gun issue is necessary. I wish I was smart enough to produce an amendment that makes sense for all, but I don't. I may not like guns, but I believe in the rights of others to own them. I don't know about guns to know what would be considered "assault" that no one really needs outside of competitive reasons.

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The reasons why every law-abiding adult should be free to own and carry a gun if he wants to (most still won't bother), are no different today than they were in George Washington's time.

That's true for most items in the Constitution, actually. The argument that "but... but... it's hundreds of years old!" is a false one. It's just as important that government have checks and balances now as it was then. Just as important that two houses of Congress with differing (and sometimes conflicting) loyalties have veto power over any bill, so they will only pass bills that both can agree on. Just as important that the civilian President be the Commander in Chief of the armed services. Just as important that the Fed govt be restricted only to powers that states and lower government CANNOT handle, and forbidden the rest. These things, and others like them, form the backbone of the Constitution, and have since 1789. Some have been amended out (17th), and our country is weaker for them.

If anything, the right of the people to keep and bear arms is even more needed today than it was back then. Criminals are much more coddled today than George Washington would ever dream of, and would roll in his grave if he knew. And government is much more abusive of people's rights, with legislative means of holding them in check diminishing daily... leaving just one other means.
If what you are saying is true about criminal coddling making the needs to carry even more important, that in itself shows such a glaring problem in society in general. We'll have vigilante justice on every street corner - at least that's what the far left wants you to believe. Let's have an annual purge (yeah, just a movie).
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Old 06-28-2018, 08:56 AM
 
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Chalk up two more people who feel that American society would be safer and more free if government were given the power to decide who can carry a gun and who can't.
You are mistaken........... I would be more than happy to compare my commitments to gun rights and activism over the past 50 years to anybodies.
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Old 06-28-2018, 08:57 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Which recent rulings? I can't read your mind. What Constitutional rights are being chipped away and how has this turned the country 'semi-fascist?'
Try buying an incandescent light bulb for your house, and see how far you get (ooh, that's important! ). Or draining and plowing over a mud puddle on your farm. Or buying a gun and bringing it home immediately, despite your need for it being immediate. Just to mention a few obvious ones. Or earning money without seeing a large part of it taken from you and handed to someone else who did nothing to deserve it. There are MANY more... as you well know.
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Old 06-28-2018, 08:59 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Our Constitution is law. It's who we are as a people, a nation. It shouldn't matter who is sitting on the supreme court. If you don't support and protect our Bill of Rights, which includes our right to bear arms, you are a domestic enemy to the citizens of the United States. No anti-gun judge should be permitted to sit on our supreme court in the first place. Their job is to uphold our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Want another Civil War? Keep pushing to leave us defenseless against criminals and foreigners with guns.
Our uninfringeable Constitutional Right to bear arms. And, yes, exactly so to the text I bolded.
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Old 06-28-2018, 09:01 AM
 
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You are mistaken........... I would be more than happy to compare my commitments to gun rights and activism over the past 50 years to anybodies.
You just called for a background check... meaning that under certain circumstances (and government will decide what those circumstance are), that government will violate your right to keep and bear arms. I'm not the one who made that mistake.
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Old 06-28-2018, 09:03 AM
 
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You just called for a background check... meaning that under certain circumstances (and government will decide what those circumstance are), that government will violate your right to keep and bear arms. I'm not the one who made that mistake.
Not a mistake.
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