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Old 07-14-2018, 08:45 AM
 
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Both are ideologies. What makes one an acceptable excuse for refusing service and the other is not.

Note that I'm not arguing in favor of businesses being able to ban muslims, and I'm not arguing in favor of forcing businesses to serve Trump supporters. The topic is, why this double standard is acceptable?
Islam is a religion
Trumpism is a sickness
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Old 07-14-2018, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Here and now.
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Just on a practical level, it makes no sense to compare consumers and business owners. The business owner is dealing with the limited world of people who come into that business. Consumers are dealing with the entire world of businesses out there. Are consumers supposed to only go one time to any business, so that they keep trying different ones each time, regardless of location, price or even the goods or services offered?

Or said differently, do I have to go to restaurants that serve food I don't care for or that charge $100 for an entree when I have $10 to spend or drive past the 100 closest restaurants so I'm not "discriminating" against the ones further away? This isn't remotely the same as someone walking into a restaurant and being told oh, we only serve that dish to other people, you don't get to get it because of whatever characteristic they want to apply.

And yes, it means that the restaurant that refused service to Sarah Sanders would not be allowed to do that - but neither would the baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple. But if the latter is allowed, then there isn't a logical basis for say the former is not.
I was thinking about the absurdity of this comparison last night. Thank you for articulating it better than I would have.
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Old 07-14-2018, 09:49 AM
 
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Islam is a religion
Trumpism is a sickness
You really just don't get it, do you? I mean, nothing I asked even slightly penetrated that cranium of yours, did it?
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Old 07-14-2018, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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You really just don't get it, do you? I mean, nothing I asked even slightly penetrated that cranium of yours, did it?
You might have more standing to take such a morally superior position if we hadn't all read post after post by you attacking the left.
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Old 07-14-2018, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Both are ideologies. What makes one an acceptable excuse for refusing service and the other is not.

Note that I'm not arguing in favor of businesses being able to ban muslims, and I'm not arguing in favor of forcing businesses to serve Trump supporters. The topic is, why this double standard is acceptable?
If they banned Muslims, then all religions should be banned, but how can anyone tell one from the other.....This is a stupid idea.
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Old 07-14-2018, 10:23 AM
 
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Both are ideologies. What makes one an acceptable excuse for refusing service and the other is not.

Note that I'm not arguing in favor of businesses being able to ban muslims, and I'm not arguing in favor of forcing businesses to serve Trump supporters. The topic is, why this double standard is acceptable?
Heck, not only do many Trumpkins not want to deal with (or even see) Muslims, but they are ready to resort to violence to disallow muslims to build even a house of worship! And they have done so!

If you understand "white supremacy" then it all fits into place.

What is truly amazing is that many who are now claiming "white and european society supremacy" are the kin of...or ARE...the very lowest rung of those white and euro societies. So low that they were cast out of their motherlands for crime, general sloth, illiteracy, inclination to violence and basic lack of civilization.

This is not to say those people are naturally ignorant. But they were. And, given the differences in our educational systems (regional and state) many may have stayed that way longer than they should have.

In other words...it's one thing to be from a long line of Brahmins in India or educated families in Japan or even China (where your ancestors have MANY generations of literacy and trades)...and be proud...and quite another to be proud because your skin is white and you take credit for French, German, Swiss, Italian and/or Brit and Scottish upper class accomplishments.
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Old 07-14-2018, 10:25 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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If they banned Muslims, then all religions should be banned, but how can anyone tell one from the other.....This is a stupid idea.
Let’s just say that a Trump supporter has a MAGA cap on, and a Muslim is dressed in traditional Muslim garb.

Pretty easy.
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Old 07-14-2018, 10:26 AM
 
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Both are ideologies. What makes one an acceptable excuse for refusing service and the other is not.

Note that I'm not arguing in favor of businesses being able to ban muslims, and I'm not arguing in favor of forcing businesses to serve Trump supporters. The topic is, why this double standard is acceptable?
How would someone know a customer is a trump supporter? I guess they could assume someone is Muslim if they are wearing a hajib but how would they know if they aren’t?
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Old 07-14-2018, 10:28 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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How would someone know a customer is a trump supporter? I guess they could assume someone is Muslim if they are wearing a hajib but how would they know if they aren’t?
Ask them. This is simple stuff.
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Old 07-14-2018, 10:30 AM
 
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Ask them. This is simple stuff.
Hmmm should emergency room personnel be able to refuse to treat someone who is Muslim or a trump supporter?
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