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Northern New England has been attracting talent away from the large Eastern metro areas for the past 50 years. One of the reasons educated people move to Maine, or buy summer homes there, is because they admire the lifestyle and want to get away from all the crowded vibrancy. But of course, being good liberals, some of these "new people" feel the need to virtue signal on race. This "brainstorming" about how to make Northern New England less white is nothing more than that. The last thing the region actually needs is a racial composition and population density more like New Jersey's.
Yes, the progressives from Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island (transplants) love to virtue signal while insulating themselves from any, and all minorities, and "foreigners". If one can parrot liberal nonsense constantly, one can hide their true selves.
What exactly have these New England states done to keep minorities out? They are all blue, they are cheaper to live in than many areas of Mass. or California. Vermont is basically socialist.
I don't think all people up there are all one way or the other. Just like everywhere you have people with different ideas. Here is what NE did wrong as I see it.
In the 60s and 70s it did not welcome a newly freed population. CA did somewhat and many people point to the watts riots and said "oh hell no, keep them in the South." Even after 1993, those riots in LA had major effects where folks pulled out of LA and damn sure made towns white wherever they landed. but CA did open up even if it did not workout as they liked.
So in the 50s til 80s there was a debate on how to bring blacks out of the South. New england seems to have decided to skip bringing any up there. I don't know why but CA experience always resonates nationally. Perhaps they saw that and stuff like Birmingham and decided it was not worh the risk.
Second is that since 1990 the country has moved frantically and daramatically to multi ethnic communities including a rising in wealth black class. Overwhelmingly this black class exists in the South. So all that wealth is not distributed to Maine or California. All the Koreans in houston and Dallas and Atlanta are not branching out to places like New Hampshire. Silicon Valley and LA did bring on multiculturalism with mixed results. San Jose benefited quite a bit but LA has not really done much.
Then since 1990s white birth rates have started declining. So you have a situation where NE is in a bad spot. It didn't grab a share of the multicultural foundation laid down from 1990 on, abd now it's got a population with declining numbers.
Did it all happen because of racism? No. But the areas where people, and typically including elite new Englanders, think of as backward and racist are now exploding with goobal populations and wealth. Houston is one example. Charlotte is another. NE if it is really serious about confronting a declining future should reach out to its southern sisters for advice.
The hard truth these folks are going to have to admit is leaders in NE never wanted minorities up there. That is why they remain nearly 100% one demographic. And that's ok, this is America. Blacks and yellow purple people have lived elsewhere and will still do so.
But rural, city, lake shore and downtown excuses don't matter. Blacks went where folks wanted them. In the South that often mean clumped together. In the Midwest it meant in the factory.
I am positive many slaves would have went straight up to Maine. Maine made sure there was no easy way that happened. Just be honest, you can't make fun of TN but ME believed the same things when it came down to it.
Now that has effects because blacks are on the way up, hence Nashville rocking and NE losing population.
Truth is, Blacks generally faced resistance in most places they went to. New England as a region is not 100% White. States like Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine come very close though. The three states I mentioned were never industrially inclined states. This is why few Blacks went to states like Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire. Few people moved to those areas in general. It isn't like Blacks were banned from moving to such states. Few jobs meant few people moving to those areas.
Slaves were trying to go to Canada.
Blacks went to many place whether they were wanted there or not. Blacks faced alot of discrimination when they want to cities like Chicago and Detroit. Blacks were not treated well in the South at all. The South had a difference. Jim Crow was the law of the land EVERYWHERE in the South. Blacks started leaving between 1910 and 1970.
The reason there were a large number of Blacks in Tennessee is because of the legacy of slavery. And for a while, many Blacks were leaving Tennessee. Nashville is attracting alot of people because it's a cheaper place to live with a milder climate, as well as an important river port. It is a major city. It is attracting alot of people, Black, White, and Hispanic. The country music industry helps too. Now, Mississippi is in the South and it isn't attracting many people. Many people don't want to be in Mississippi. southern New England isn't losing population. Rural northern New England, however, is losing population.
I'm not sure that diversity for the sake of diversity is that hot an idea. It's a part of a liberal ideology that should be open to debate, just like Christianity. If you ever lived in rural New England, people did in my day make distinctions that reflected smaller differences than black and white (etc.), but had a powerful meaning. If a white doctor from Boston moved in to town, for example, everyone knew he was vastly different from the rest of us.
It goes to show, as I always say, that what racism remains in the present day USA mostly comes from the left. Imagine if the NYT printed something like "the SE side of Chicago is nearly all black. This has posed an array of problems."
Well of course they would never print that. But they don't mind attributing an 'array of problems' to an all-white region.
They talked about needing to attract young workers too.
This is the core issue. Northern New England (NNE) has an aging population because so many of our young have moved to major metro areas in other States. This was for greater job opportunities. My own daughter moved to the Charlotte, NC area. Whereas overall the population of NNE has been flat in recent years, the mix has shifted to fewer kids and more old people. Fortunately middle aged and older transplants from elsewhere (NY/NJ/CT/MA mostly) have come in sufficient numbers to keep the population from a steady decline. Young families are what we need.
This is the core issue. Northern New England (NNE) has an aging population because so many of our young have moved to major metro areas in other States. This was for greater job opportunities. My own daughter moved to the Charlotte, NC area. Whereas overall the population of NNE has been flat in recent years, the mix has shifted to fewer kids and more old people. Fortunately middle aged and older transplants from elsewhere (NY/NJ/CT/MA mostly) have come in sufficient numbers to keep the population from a steady decline. Young families are what we need.
The aging population is not limited to northern New England either. West Virginia and western Pennsylvania have aging populations. There are alot of rural counties in the Great Plains.
All that crimlessness and self-sufficient work ethic really eliminates a lot of jobs. Police officers, welfare case workers, social workers, probation officers, court appointed attorneys...
...a lot of jobs lost with a squared away demographic...
...and before somebody calls me racist, which is guaranteed to happen, I have seen Black communities as squared away as rural MA, NH and, ME.
Yes, the progressives from Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island (transplants) love to virtue signal while insulating themselves from any, and all minorities, and "foreigners". If one can parrot liberal nonsense constantly, one can hide their true selves.
And in my experience, the persons who complain the most about Blacks, Hispanics, and "foreigners" have been conservatives. Some persons also try to insulate themselves from said persons. You have bigots on both sides.
I don't think all people up there are all one way or the other. Just like everywhere you have people with different ideas. Here is what NE did wrong as I see it.
In the 60s and 70s it did not welcome a newly freed population. CA did somewhat and many people point to the watts riots and said "oh hell no, keep them in the South." Even after 1993, those riots in LA had major effects where folks pulled out of LA and damn sure made towns white wherever they landed. but CA did open up even if it did not workout as they liked.
So in the 50s til 80s there was a debate on how to bring blacks out of the South. New england seems to have decided to skip bringing any up there. I don't know why but CA experience always resonates nationally. Perhaps they saw that and stuff like Birmingham and decided it was not worh the risk.
Second is that since 1990 the country has moved frantically and daramatically to multi ethnic communities including a rising in wealth black class. Overwhelmingly this black class exists in the South. So all that wealth is not distributed to Maine or California. All the Koreans in houston and Dallas and Atlanta are not branching out to places like New Hampshire. Silicon Valley and LA did bring on multiculturalism with mixed results. San Jose benefited quite a bit but LA has not really done much.
Then since 1990s white birth rates have started declining. So you have a situation where NE is in a bad spot. It didn't grab a share of the multicultural foundation laid down from 1990 on, abd now it's got a population with declining numbers.
Did it all happen because of racism? No. But the areas where people, and typically including elite new Englanders, think of as backward and racist are now exploding with goobal populations and wealth. Houston is one example. Charlotte is another. NE if it is really serious about confronting a declining future should reach out to its southern sisters for advice.
What in the world are you talking about when you say we didn't welcome a newly freed population? Did other parts of the country hold welcome parades and we put up "Keep Out" signs?
What do you mean when you say NE decided to skip bringing any up here? Are you saying southern blacks had no choice but to go where whites brought them, that New England failed to send buses down there to bring them up to their newly assigned homes? I would hope you'd give black people enough credit that they were intelligent adults deciding where they wanted to live based on their own criteria.
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