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Old 08-31-2018, 10:48 AM
 
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The charges against Manafort in the next trial pertain to lobbying he did on behalf of Ukraine, not Russia.
Lobbying for Pro-Russia groups inside Ukraine that wanted Ukraine to become part of Russia. Context is important.
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Old 08-31-2018, 10:55 AM
 
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Lobbying for Pro-Russia groups inside Ukraine that wanted Ukraine to become part of Russia. Context is important.
That is not true at all. Is there no lie you people will not tell? It appears not.

And even if that were true - which it isn't - then it STILL would not have anything to do with Trump conspiring with Russia to steal the 2016 presidential election from Mrs. Bill Clinton.
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Old 08-31-2018, 11:51 AM
 
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Manafort to cooperate with prosecutors:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...fara-violation
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Old 08-31-2018, 11:54 AM
 
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Manafort to cooperate with prosecutors:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...fara-violation
It says Manafort Ally to cooperate. It doesn't say Manafort will cooperate.
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Old 08-31-2018, 11:56 AM
 
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It says Manafort Ally to cooperate. It doesn't say Manafort will cooperate.
I am very sorry, I misread!
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Old 08-31-2018, 11:57 AM
 
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That is not true at all. Is there no lie you people will not tell? It appears not.

And even if that were true - which it isn't - then it STILL would not have anything to do with Trump conspiring with Russia to steal the 2016 presidential election from Mrs. Bill Clinton.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.74256b54c522

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Many of the charges against Manafort and Gates, which include money laundering and tax fraud, relate to alleged crimes that predate either of the political operatives joining the Trump campaign. They primarily involve the concealment of millions of dollars they made while working on behalf of a pro-Putin political party in Ukraine.
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Old 08-31-2018, 11:59 AM
 
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That is not true at all. Is there no lie you people will not tell? It appears not.

And even if that were true - which it isn't - then it STILL would not have anything to do with Trump conspiring with Russia to steal the 2016 presidential election from Mrs. Bill Clinton.
It's absolutely true. Where did you get your information about this? Try additional sources, and educate yourself about what occurred in Ukraine during the winter of 2013-2014 and the following spring. Note the names involved. Then check who Manafort worked with and for in Ukraine. Same names, and it's no coincidence.
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Old 08-31-2018, 12:04 PM
 
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It says Manafort Ally to cooperate. It doesn't say Manafort will cooperate.
Manafort is over a barrel, given Putin and his cronies' fondness for assassination and "accidental" deaths of those who "betray" them...Manafort may not care about his own safety (may not - I think he's narcissistic enough to care a great deal) but he has a family to consider. Though he hasn't been very considerate of them previously, from all evidence. So I think Manafort is highly unlikely to cooperate any more and instead may welcome imprisonment, if his safety can be guaranteed, and his family may be offered additional protection: perhaps a move and change of identity. Or he may offer a tidbit or two, in return for his family's protection.

I wouldn't be sipping any tea just now, if I were Manafort or a member of his family.
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Old 08-31-2018, 12:13 PM
 
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It's absolutely true. Where did you get your information about this? Try additional sources, and educate yourself about what occurred in Ukraine during the winter of 2013-2014 and the following spring. Note the names involved. Then check who Manafort worked with and for in Ukraine. Same names, and it's no coincidence.
For a concise guide to it, pick up a copy of Luke Harding's book "Collusion". He lays out the players and how they fit the picture in great detail.
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Old 08-31-2018, 12:21 PM
 
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For a concise guide to it, pick up a copy of Luke Harding's book "Collusion". He lays out the players and how they fit the picture in great detail.
themoscowproject.org

https://themoscowproject.org/players/paulmanafort/
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