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Old 11-28-2018, 08:20 AM
 
Location: United States
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It would be better if he had Manafort testify about the meeting at Trump tower with the Russians and if Trump was aware but he still has Gates. For someone that regularly claimed there was no collusion I would expect that you would want Manafort to testify to clear Trumps good name.


Its not that Manafort refused to lie, its the fact that he did lie to Mueller's investigators. You do want to know the truth don't you, or do you just want the Trump family off the hook.

Why would Trump need to be "cleared" for the Trump Tower meeting, nothing illegal happened.

There is no denying that there is a clear pattern with Mueller.

Mueller fails to prove any collusion, and can only come up with a process crime.
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Old 11-28-2018, 08:29 AM
 
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Why would Trump need to be "cleared" for the Trump Tower meeting, nothing illegal happened.

There is no denying that there is a clear pattern with Mueller.

Mueller fails to prove any collusion, and can only come up with a process crime.
Or, alternatively, Mueller uses process and other substantive crimes to leverage witnesses to cooperate in revealing evidence pertinent to Russia election interference, which is pretty standard in investigations of organized crime and criminal conspiracies performed by seasoned investigators like those who are on Mueller's team. Of course, while Alan Dershowitz believes Mueller's conclusions will be "devastating" to Trump, online legal expert stburr91 has already decided that Mueller has no evidence of illegality and that nothing illegal happened. We will see who is right in the end, I suppose.

As an aside, Mueller hasn't "failed to prove any collusion" because his team is still in the evidence-gathering and case-preparation stage. You can't "fail" at something you haven't tried to do yet.
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Old 11-28-2018, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Why would Trump need to be "cleared" for the Trump Tower meeting, nothing illegal happened.

There is no denying that there is a clear pattern with Mueller.

Mueller fails to prove any collusion, and can only come up with a process crime.
Then there is nothing to fear about Manaforts testimony, seems to me that since Trump has been claiming there was no collusion for 2 years his testimony might have settled whether he knew about the meeting. I thought you wanted the truth.
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Old 11-28-2018, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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You guys forget, Manafort has the Statute of Limitations on his side. Always has and Mueller knows it.
Judge suspended the statute of limitations on at least one of those counts last I heard.

At this point, it's a lot to keep up with.
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Old 11-28-2018, 09:39 AM
 
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You guys forget, Manafort has the Statute of Limitations on his side. Always has and Mueller knows it.
You never did take that law class at college, did you?
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Old 11-28-2018, 11:32 AM
 
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Then there is nothing to fear about Manaforts testimony, seems to me that since Trump has been claiming there was no collusion for 2 years his testimony might have settled whether he knew about the meeting. I thought you wanted the truth.
We know the truth, there was nothing about the Trump Tower meeting that was illegal. Not even the msm is disputing that.

You don't seem to understand, there is no need to "clear" Trump, there is no evidence of any wrongdoing by him, or his campaign.
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Old 11-28-2018, 11:33 AM
 
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Donald J. Trump, you might be in big, big trouble.

Remember, folks. Adam Schiff said that come January, once dems take over the House, he will immediately subpoena Trump's phone records to see who Don Jr called on that blocked number shortly after the infamous "Trump Tower" meeting.


If that blocked number belongs to President Trump, and Donald said in his Mueller responses that he didn't know about the Trump Tower meeting, he has lied to federal authorities, which is a federal crime.




https://twitter.com/amandawgolden/st...41274789732352
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Old 11-28-2018, 11:37 AM
 
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HOLY CRAP!


Do it, Donald! Doooo it!


Donald Trump is losing his mind.


"More than ever, Trump is acting by feeling and instinct. “Trump is nuts,” said one former West Wing official. “This time really feels different.” Deputy Chief of Staff Bill Shine has privately expressed concern, a source said, telling a friend that Trump’s emotional state is “very tender.” Even Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump are unsettled that Trump is so gleefully acting on his most self-destructive impulses as his legal peril grows. According to a source, Jared and Ivanka told Trump that stripping security clearances from former intelligence officials would backfire, but Trump ignored them. Kushner later told a friend Trump “got joy” out of taking away John Brennan’s clearance. His reaction to the death of John McCain—quashing a White House statement in praise of the senator, and restoring White House flags to full staff—falls into the same self-indulgent category. "


https://twitter.com/VanityFair/statu...44597625188354

A clinical narcissist if there every was one. Good job 46.1% of voters.
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Old 11-28-2018, 11:44 AM
 
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We know the truth, there was nothing about the Trump Tower meeting that was illegal. Not even the msm is disputing that.

You don't seem to understand, there is no need to "clear" Trump, there is no evidence of any wrongdoing by him, or his campaign.
There is no need to prove an actual crime to bring into serious question Trumps ethics and the legitimacy of his Presidency. A large part of the propaganda against his opponent was sourced from Russian Intelligence or at least affiliated hackers. The whole "e-mail/lock her up" thing is based almost solely on it. They've tried to play it like they were innocent bystanders to the whole thing. It's looking more and more like they were in the weeds with it.


Maybe the hard core kool aid drinking 30% of Trump fans doesn't care because they just really hate "the dims" and "the liberals", but a lot of people do care and a lot of his power will be lost.

Hopefully that clears it up for ya.

Yeah, I know "you lost, get over it".

Your going to have a neutered gas bag President in office, as he rightfully should be. Get over it.
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Old 11-28-2018, 11:54 AM
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Donald J. Trump, you might be in big, big trouble.

Remember, folks. Adam Schiff said that come January, once dems take over the House, he will immediately subpoena Trump's phone records to see who Don Jr called on that blocked number shortly after the infamous "Trump Tower" meeting.


If that blocked number belongs to President Trump, and Donald said in his Mueller responses that he didn't know about the Trump Tower meeting, he has lied to federal authorities, which is a federal crime.

So it's a federal crime for a son to call his dad? Okay.
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