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Foreign IT workers directly on H-1B visa started coming to USA in around 1998-1999 period when Y2K issue was there and they needed cheap workers on urgent basis. I remember Engineers being trained for 20-25 days on Java in India and put on airplane by companies. In 2002, 2003 H1B cap was of 195000 visas but later on it was reduced to 65000.
Earlier only those people who used to complete MS in USA Universities, irrespective of the field, were getting job visas. Direct recruitment from India was unheard of.
Is there anybody here who has worked in IT companies of USA before 1998 ?
What was the ratio of Foreign born workers at that time ?
IMHo this is the most reasonable course of action, and it's common sense. Every other country strictly regulates the supply of labor for obvious reasons, it's the most basic determinant of a living wage. You can't flood a country with surplus labor if the available jobs and salaries don't support it or making a living for a country's own citizens, despite some short term gains in things like home buying, long term the economy just collapses because consumer demand contracts. Europe does allow Americans to work and move there, in fact a lot of kids I've mentored have moved to Europe to work and settle and in my experience recently at least, they tend to do a lot better than the ones staying in the US. That's partly because they have universal healthcare there and low cost of free college and childcare, yet at the same or even slightly lower than the US because they don't have anywhere like US military or healthcare costs. But it isn't just that, they do better there because by law, in Europe, South America or Asia if you move there, you must be paid the prevailing wage. So there's none of this dumb new feudal indentured servitude like we now have in the US with the H-1B visa and the recent abuses of the L-1 visa, OPT program and other programs that started off with good intentions, but have been corrupted into a modern form of slavery and servitude that also ruins the local economy, increases household debt and guts consumer demand.
This is not anything new in USA. If you visit any Restaurant kitchen or Housekeeping department of any Hotel or any construction site or agriculture field, you will find illegals being paid less then minimum wage or prevalent wage.
This premise that "you cant find enough Americans to do the job" is a joke. The main goal is shortsightedness of managers to make more money by paying less.
You will need to bring a huge cultural shift or change in mindset to stop or reduce immigration by people in pursuit of short term benefits. Unless you change it across all fields, not much will change. Bring changes to reduce illegal immigration, legal immigration abuses will also get sorted out.
In European countries, it is possible to run a restaurant with citizen/legal workers. Construction workers are citizens or legal immigrants. EU model is good. They do bring workers from Latvia to France but they dont pay them less then minimum.
How many German or French IT professionals have been fired or replaced by Indian IT crowd? Zero. Infosys, TCS, Wipro do have projects in Europe but there is not such a backlash against them. They dont let them replace native workers.
If Europe can handle that, why cant Americans?
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ha ha Well Trump has succeeded in changing the mindset of Reagan worshipping Open Border free market supporters to closed borders, Tariff loving people. Rally crowd is cheering Tariffs now !!! Thats a huge change. Interesting times are ahead.
Foreign IT workers directly on H-1B visa started coming to USA in around 1998-1999 period when Y2K issue was there and they needed cheap workers on urgent basis. I remember Engineers being trained for 20-25 days on Java in India and put on airplane by companies. In 2002, 2003 H1B cap was of 195000 visas but later on it was reduced to 65000.
Earlier only those people who used to complete MS in USA Universities, irrespective of the field, were getting job visas. Direct recruitment from India was unheard of.
Is there anybody here who has worked in IT companies of USA before 1998 ?
What was the ratio of Foreign born workers at that time ?
Before the Indian onslaught, there were a lot of English and Russian expats but they were all GCs. Their numbers were not large enough to displace US citizens.
This is not anything new in USA. If you visit any Restaurant kitchen or Housekeeping department of any Hotel or any construction site or agriculture field, you will find illegals being paid less then minimum wage or prevalent wage.
This premise that "you cant find enough Americans to do the job" is a joke. The main goal is shortsightedness of managers to make more money by paying less.
You will need to bring a huge cultural shift or change in mindset to stop or reduce immigration by people in pursuit of short term benefits. Unless you change it across all fields, not much will change. Bring changes to reduce illegal immigration, legal immigration abuses will also get sorted out.
In European countries, it is possible to run a restaurant with citizen/legal workers. Construction workers are citizens or legal immigrants. EU model is good. They do bring workers from Latvia to France but they dont pay them less then minimum.
How many German or French IT professionals have been fired or replaced by Indian IT crowd? Zero. Infosys, TCS, Wipro do have projects in Europe but there is not such a backlash against them. They dont let them replace native workers.
If Europe can handle that, why cant Americans?
It's also possible to run a restaurant with citizens/legal immigrants in the US. There is a conglomeration of chain restaurants that uses E-verify. They have no problems finding Americans and legal immigrants to take their jobs.
A draft proposal will make sponsoring Parents for Green Card more difficult. I understand that it is not directly related to H1B visa topic of this thread but as discussed by other members above, Trump administration is cutting down Legal immigration in every sector. Factors such as Age above 60, English knowledge, Family Income will determine eligibility for Green Card.
Both Americans and migrants from India get treated horribly as result of what the H-1B, L-! and OPT have become, which is basically human trafficking at low wages and massive exploitation by corrupt corporations and body shops like Tata and Infosys. Only the modern slavemasters and exploiters of cheap labor, like Disney and Microsoft benefit from this horrible practice
This is not anything new in USA. If you visit any Restaurant kitchen or Housekeeping department of any Hotel or any construction site or agriculture field, you will find illegals being paid less then minimum wage or prevalent wage.
This premise that "you cant find enough Americans to do the job" is a joke. The main goal is shortsightedness of managers to make more money by paying less.
You will need to bring a huge cultural shift or change in mindset to stop or reduce immigration by people in pursuit of short term benefits. Unless you change it across all fields, not much will change. Bring changes to reduce illegal immigration, legal immigration abuses will also get sorted out.
In European countries, it is possible to run a restaurant with citizen/legal workers. Construction workers are citizens or legal immigrants. EU model is good. They do bring workers from Latvia to France but they dont pay them less then minimum.
How many German or French IT professionals have been fired or replaced by Indian IT crowd? Zero. Infosys, TCS, Wipro do have projects in Europe but there is not such a backlash against them. They dont let them replace native workers.
If Europe can handle that, why cant Americans?
Yes that's the essence of it. I worked in Europe myself but was always paid the prevailing wage, other Americans who'd moved there as more permanent expats, the same thing. We were not only allowed there but welcomed because we contributed to the local economy and created other jobs for the locals, and it had everything to do with not reducing wages or taking jobs from locals. That's how it should work. If any European company tried to do what US companies like Disney do with the H-1B, displacing local workers with cheap foreign slave labor, they'd be tarred and feathered and hung from the town square. They don't tolerate that there. The last company that tried this in Germany, they were tossed into prison and their assets seized. Bizarre that the US is the only big country that still allows this open treason against it's own workers and citizens.
Yes that's the essence of it. I worked in Europe myself but was always paid the prevailing wage, other Americans who'd moved there as more permanent expats, the same thing. We were not only allowed there but welcomed because we contributed to the local economy and created other jobs for the locals, and it had everything to do with not reducing wages or taking jobs from locals. That's how it should work. If any European company tried to do what US companies like Disney do with the H-1B, displacing local workers with cheap foreign slave labor, they'd be tarred and feathered and hung from the town square. They don't tolerate that there. The last company that tried this in Germany, they were tossed into prison and their assets seized. Bizarre that the US is the only big country that still allows this open treason against it's own workers and citizens.
Guessing from your repeated use of words slave labor and first time usage of "hung from town square" I guess you are from middle east or north africa and won a diversity lottery .
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