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Old 08-05-2018, 01:52 PM
 
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She was pandering to a black crowd when she said it. Toss the baby out with the bath water I guess!
Talk about "divisive". Making an entire group of people think that they shouldn't be subject to the same penalties for crimes as others can only lead to intense racial strife.
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Old 08-05-2018, 02:49 PM
 
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Its not Pocahontas. Its Fauxcahontas. Issue solved.
You are both in error. It is Liawatha.
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Old 08-05-2018, 02:52 PM
 
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Pocahontas saying she is Native American is racist!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 08-05-2018, 04:48 PM
 
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She was pandering to a black crowd when she said it. Toss the baby out with the bath water I guess!
And do you realize that in terming her "Pocahontas" that's rather racist of YOU? As well as, y'know, kind of dumb and over-simplifiying. Ever read much about race and the justice system? Probably not. If you did, you'd know she has a point.
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Old 08-05-2018, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
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She was pandering to a black crowd when she said it. Toss the baby out with the bath water I guess!
Any criminal justice system that doesn't arrest and convict mostly white men simply must be racist. There cannot be any other reason for why it isn't jailing mainly criminal crackers.
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Old 08-05-2018, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Houston
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I will say the drug war inherently discriminates against the poor and demographic groups that tend to be impoverished.
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Old 08-05-2018, 10:12 PM
 
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Every president since Nixon has disclosed his return, I wasn't holding Nixon up as an example of doing the right thing but that's the only other person that wouldn't disclose his return. Since when do we ask elected officials to release their DNA, that's a new one.


I think that there is fear of intelligent, educated women like Warren, that is why any reasonable discussion of her statements digress into "she's not an Indian" and other immature comments.


Simple question, Trump stated that he couldn't release his tax returns because he was being audited back in 2016 do you believe he was being honest?
Warren made her heritage an issue by claiming to be something she's not. And if she was intelligent as you think, why would she be so dumb to make such an easily disproved claim. Fear? Hardly. Yet we are still waiting on Obama's college records. Get back to me when he allows them to be released, then we can talk about President Trump's tax returns.

p.s. - this thread is about Warren, not President Trump.
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Old 08-05-2018, 11:10 PM
 
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Really? Even the most well meaning judges. Did you not read the article I linked to? That's my town (one of them) paper.....please - read it. Then talk to us and tell us what you think of the article and whether you think that has applied elsewhere. If not, tell us why it wouldn't apply in Georgia or Alabama or TN, etc...

Bias on the Bench | Sarasota Herald-Tribune Media Group | Bias on the bench

If you don't read and study, you don't know. Ranting and asking people to prove something already proven is silly.
Some compelling anecdotes. One of the problems I see in the data is that it doesn't tell me the percentages of white defendants with court-appointed attorneys vs. black defendants with court-appointed attorneys. I have little doubt there is a big disparity there. Also, what are the education levels of the defendants by race? I was just looking at a dissertation that marks education as the biggest factor in the sentences of male offenders. Also, what percentage of whites have dependents versus black offenders? This seems to be one of the factors in the massive disparity in sentences for women vs. men.

I don't buy the instances in which the author describes defendants as having "identical records." I don't know that I've ever seen two offenders have "identical records." Do black offenders typically have longer rap sheets or more felony convictions than white offenders? It seems to me that would be a crucial statistic in this case.
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Old 08-05-2018, 11:15 PM
 
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I will say the drug war inherently discriminates against the poor and demographic groups that tend to be impoverished.
I'm still trying to differentiate "the drug war" from "the murder war" or "the robbery war."
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Old 08-06-2018, 05:34 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Warren made her heritage an issue by claiming to be something she's not. And if she was intelligent as you think, why would she be so dumb to make such an easily disproved claim. Fear? Hardly. Yet we are still waiting on Obama's college records. Get back to me when he allows them to be released, then we can talk about President Trump's tax returns.

p.s. - this thread is about Warren, not President Trump.
This is new where people have to prove her heritage. College records are not normally released but tax returns have been a standard. She doesn't have to prove anything, she taught at several universities and was respected by both sides in here government positions. But the usual lack of discussion on her point in the thread and the digression into her heritage, when you have no argument always go with "she's not an Indian" that is what passes as intelligent discussion.


I noticed you never answered the simple question, when Trump stated he couldn't release his returns because he was audited was he lying or telling the truth?
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